Fighters best at mixing defense with their offense?

[Steak]

Roger Mayweather had no problems hitting Chavez, hell Marty Jakubowski was able to hit him cleanly.

uh huh. and Roger Mayweather had 'no problem' hitting Whitaker either, wanna pretend Whitaker has **** defense? thats just simply wrong.
alright, since there is a lot of dislike for Chavez in this thread, lets just name some other guys.



Ill throw Archie Moore out there.

[IronDanHamza]

uh huh. and Roger Mayweather had 'no problem' hitting Whitaker either, wanna pretend Whitaker has **** defense? thats just simply wrong.
alright, since there is a lot of dislike for Chavez in this thread, lets just name some other guys.



Ill throw Archie Moore out there.

Roger Mayweather had alot more problems hitting Whitaker than he did Chavez.

Just throwing that out there.

[Steak]

Roger Mayweather had alot more problems hitting Whitaker than he did Chavez.

Just throwing that out there.

no doubt. but Roger certainly didnt have that hard a time hitting Whitaker, he hit him pretty often flush and hurt him at one point. Roger's right hand and overall accuracy was very good.

[SBleeder]

The two Sugar Ray's come to mind for me.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...0935&cat=boxer

At 4-22-1, his defense couldn't have been that great...

[RubenSonny]

uh huh. and Roger Mayweather had 'no problem' hitting Whitaker either, wanna pretend Whitaker has **** defense? thats just simply wrong.

Horrible comparison, look at where Whitaker and Chavez were at that point of their careers, not to mention that Whitaker got hit far less by Roger.

alright, since there is a lot of dislike for Chavez in this thread

Its no secret that your a HUGE fan of Chavez and do not like Marquez. I actually have no problem with you picking Chavez I just think its a double standard to put fourth Chavez as an example and shun Marquez. Both fighters are not defensive wizards, thats pretty obvious but both showed the ability to adjust while going forward to avoid punches. If you want to make comparisons lets look at both fighters against Offensive machines, Chavez-Taylor and Marquez-Pacquiao, now tell me who displayed better defence in those fights?

[Steak]

Horrible comparison, look at where Whitaker and Chavez were at that point of their careers, not to mention that Whitaker got hit far less by Roger.



Its no secret that your a HUGE fan of Chavez and do not like Marquez. I actually have no problem with you picking Chavez I just think its a double standard to put fourth Chavez as an example and shun Marquez. Both fighters are not defensive wizards, thats pretty obvious but both showed the ability to adjust while going forward to avoid punches. If you want to make comparisons lets look at both fighters against Offensive machines, Chavez-Taylor and Marquez-Pacquiao, now tell me who displayed better defence in those fights?

on the contrary, I like Marquez. hes fun to watch, exciting, and puts together excellent combinations. Im just realistic about him. Ive seen a number of his fights, and defense flat out is not something I would ever associate with him.

First off, Marquez was not on the offensive agaisnt Pacquiao. he was primarily counter punching. whenever he came forward, he got hit, simple as that. and the reason Marquez is able to stifle Pacquiao's offense is definitely not his defense, but his counter punching. PAcs offense comes from his legs primarily, and he has a lot of forward momentum when attacking. this makes Marquez's counter punches even more effective, and makes Pacquiao more reluctant to go on the attack. incidently, Marquez got ****ed up bad in both the Pacquiao fights, the reason they were so close is because he gave back just as much.
Chavez, not so much. outworked yes. but he wasnt getting his butt kicked, and for Taylor it was the norm for him to land around 400 punches on his opponent if it went 12 rounds. McGirt was very arguably more difficult to hit than any opponent Pacquiao has fought, and yet Taylor's offense wasnt slowed at all by McGirt. Pacquiao's offense is often limited if the opponent fights defensively or in particular uses footwork or different distances.

[Walt Liquor]

did the alvarez fight get you thinking of this this week?

[The_Demon]

Marquez's timing and accuracy are his main attributes rather than his defence,but i see both sides of the debate

[right_hand_lead]

James Toney..not even a question. Seamless.

[IMDAZED]

James Toney..not even a question. Seamless.

You took the words right out of my mouth.