Fighters best at mixing defense with their offense?

[Steak]

You can't criticise Marquez as a choice but nominate Chavez, IMO.

Chavez had far better defense than Marquez, and got hit less during his combinations than Marquez did.

[StarshipTrooper]

Chavez had far better defense than Marquez, and got hit less during his combinations than Marquez did.

Against his non-tomato can opponents Chavez shipped a TON of punishment. Watch the Taylor I: If Taylor had had any power at all Chavez would have been stopped (not counted out, too good a chin). He sponged punches all fight long and was just fortunate that Taylor couldn't bust an egg with a hammer.

Poet

[Steak]

Against his non-tomato can opponents Chavez shipped a TON of punishment. Watch the Taylor I: If Taylor had had any power at all Chavez would have been stopped (not counted out, too good a chin). He sponged punches all fight long and was just fortunate that Taylor couldn't bust an egg with a hammer.

Poet

uh huh, which is why Chavez completely nullified Rosario at close range and dominated him, and Rosario is one of the biggest punchers of all time.

Taylor landed a ton of punches on a number of fighters. he beat the **** out of Buddy McGirt, and McGirt didnt have bad defense at all and would show his quality later with his impressive win over Simon Brown, as well as giving near prime Whitaker one of the toughest fights of his career.


I know people hate Chavez for a number of reasons, but come on. Comparing his defense to Juan Manuel Marquez?

[IronDanHamza]

Joe Louis
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[StarshipTrooper]

uh huh, which is why Chavez completely nullified Rosario at close range and dominated him, and Rosario is one of the biggest punchers of all time.

Taylor landed a ton of punches on a number of fighters. he beat the **** out of Buddy McGirt, and McGirt didnt have bad defense at all and would show his quality later with his impressive win over Simon Brown, as well as giving near prime Whitaker one of the toughest fights of his career.


I know people hate Chavez for a number of reasons, but come on. Comparing his defense to Juan Manuel Marquez?

Rosario was a big puncher but certainly no volume puncher (or known for his accuracy for that matter). Nor was Rosario a particularly outstanding infighter. Chavez's chin was good enough to shake off the odd bomb Rosario landed but Rosario was never going to throw punches in enough quantity to seriously challenge the way Taylor did.

Poet

[Steak]

Rosario was a big puncher but certainly no volume puncher (or known for his accuracy for that matter). Nor was Rosario a particularly outstanding infighter. Chavez's chin was good enough to shake off the odd bomb Rosario landed but Rosario was never going to throw punches in enough quantity to seriously challenge the way Taylor did.

Poet

limiting a fighters offense+avoiding their punches=defense. Chavez did that constantly by using his footwork to cut off the ring and his defense to avoid punches while coming forward. It wasnt like he 'followed' opponents, by any means.

and Rosario actually threw a lot of punches in that fight, and his accuracy was way worse against Chavez than it was against previous opponents.

McGirt was a pretty slick and evasive fighter as he showed agaisnt Whitaker and Simon Brown, and yet he was ****ed up against Taylor, who busted up McGirt's face and caught him clean often. Chavez didnt have that kind of damage at all, because he woudl at least partially block most of Taylor's shots or roll with the punches.

If you dont think Chavez's defense was all that then fine, even if I disagree. but it was way better than Marquez's, who gets hit clean and flush even against not so good competition.

[studentofthegam]

limiting a fighters offense+avoiding their punches=defense. Chavez did that constantly by using his footwork to cut off the ring and his defense to avoid punches while coming forward. It wasnt like he 'followed' opponents, by any means.

and Rosario actually threw a lot of punches in that fight, and his accuracy was way worse against Chavez than it was against previous opponents.

McGirt was a pretty slick and evasive fighter as he showed agaisnt Whitaker and Simon Brown, and yet he was ****ed up against Taylor, who busted up McGirt's face and caught him clean often. Chavez didnt have that kind of damage at all, because he woudl at least partially block most of Taylor's shots or roll with the punches.

If you dont think Chavez's defense was all that then fine, even if I disagree. but it was way better than Marquez's, who gets hit clean and flush even against not so good competition.

Chavez didnt show damage much on his face but that doesnt mean he didnt get hit a lot. Chavez was known for his relentless pursuit and good chin not defense.

[studentofthegam]

Jersey Joe Walcott. good head movement and consistent offense.

[Steak]

Chavez didnt show damage much on his face but that doesnt mean he didnt get hit a lot. Chavez was known for his relentless pursuit and good chin not defense.

sure, which is why he was considered the best fighter in the world for years and was praised for his excellent defense on the inside even early on in his career.

[RubenSonny]

Roger Mayweather had no problems hitting Chavez, hell Marty Jakubowski was able to hit him cleanly.