Why wouldn't Hagler fight McCallum?

[joseph5620]

Why can't you just admit Hagler didn't want no part of McCallum?! Instead you go to great lengths to make up excuses. If Hagler was the real deal, wouldn't he be looking for the BEST guys to fight, instead of just chasing Leonard, a guy who ran from him for 5 years?! And the best guy he hadn't yet fought in the years before the Leonard fight was exactly Mike. Curry fight fell thru, not sure why. Maybe bc Curry was so mercilessly dethroned by Honeyghan and then ktfoed by exactly McCallum. Anyway, I don't buy that bs about Mike not being BIG enough for Hagler to fight him.

Because it isn't true in the context you're using. Hagler is the probably the last boxer you should ever accuse of ducking or fearing anybody. If anybody is going through great lengths it's you to discredit Hagler. And that agenda includes your fantasy that he somehow "ducked" McCallum.




You say Hagler should have fought McCallum "years" before the Leonard fight? Explain why?

[Pastrano]

Because it isn't true in the context you're using. Hagler is the probably the last boxer you should ever accuse of ducking or fearing anybody. If anybody is going through great lengths it's you to discredit Hagler. And that agenda includes your fantasy that he somehow "ducked" McCallum.




You say Hagler should have fought McCallum "years" before the Leonard fight? Explain why?

Why whouldnt MARVELOUS MARVIN duck somebody? Especially a guy like Mike, who was tricky and threw punishing body punches, lotsa them. Marvin knew it would be a hard fight and thats why he didn't want it, along with the fact that MM wasn't that famous. But he would earn respect if he fought MM and not least if he beat him. Maybe he wasn't so sure he would beat him...MM had a height and reach advantage, especially the latter was significant. And he knew McCallum's chin was impossible to crack, like his own.

[fitefanSHO]

As somebody who was there (Brockton) during Hagler's reign, let me tell you, there was ZERO interest in a Hagler-McCallum fight. None. Zilch. Nada. Not a peep. Nobody talked about it in the magazines, nobody demanded the fight, nobody wanted the fight, and at the time nobody even really considered that fight. And if they had fought, Hagler would have won, he was in a TOTALLY different class than McCallum.

Hagler > McCallum

[Pastrano]

As somebody who was there (Brockton) during Hagler's reign, let me tell you, there was ZERO interest in a Hagler-McCallum fight. None. Zilch. Nada. Not a peep. Nobody talked about it in the magazines, nobody demanded the fight, nobody wanted the fight, and at the time nobody even really considered that fight. And if they had fought, Hagler would have won, he was in a TOTALLY different class than McCallum.

Hagler > McCallum

You just proved your knowledge is ZILCH.

[EMSLDB]

well marvin was very inactive from 84-87 only 4 times so its very possible he could have given Mccallum a shot. Although i wouldnt criticize marvin as much as I would Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran for not giving mccallum a shot cause during that time Mike did most of his damage at 154

[fitefanSHO]

You just proved your knowledge is ZILCH.

And with that response, you just proved that your ability to carry on a discussion with a person in possession of a different view point than yours is ZILCH.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[Scott9945]

As somebody who was there (Brockton) during Hagler's reign, let me tell you, there was ZERO interest in a Hagler-McCallum fight. None. Zilch. Nada. Not a peep. Nobody talked about it in the magazines, nobody demanded the fight, nobody wanted the fight, and at the time nobody even really considered that fight.

All true. This is one of those matchups that boxrec fanboys dream up. Hagler was a PPV fighter by then and you had to bring something to the table if you were a tough opponent. Bottom line...McCallum wasn't a middleweight contender at that time so this whole argument is just ******.

[Boxing Bob]

Pastrano, most of your post here are show very good insight to boxing,and are interesting. Its obvious you know a thing or two about the game. However, to even suggest that Hagler ducked McCallum in laughable! I have no idea why you don't view Marvins career subjectively, but you don't. As already stated, their careers barely coincided, and at that small window, Marvin was P4P the top dog and a PPV steady in the middleweight class, McCallum was a good Jr. Middleweight beltholder.

[Pastrano]

Pastrano, most of your post here are show very good insight to boxing,and are interesting. Its obvious you know a thing or two about the game. However, to even suggest that Hagler ducked McCallum in laughable! I have no idea why you don't view Marvins career subjectively, but you don't. As already stated, their careers barely coincided, and at that small window, Marvin was P4P the top dog and a PPV steady in the middleweight class, McCallum was a good Jr. Middleweight beltholder.

Maybe all of you should open your eyes and see past your worshipping of Hagler. He was a very good fighter, maybe even great, but he sure wasn't unbeatable! Hell, he even lost twice in the early going! So why is it so inconceivable that he would/could lose to MCCALLUM? He never fought him, whatever the reason. He'd rather chase a rematch with SRL that never happened and then retire. Why did he retire so soon?? He was 33, surely he had more fights left in him and there were meaningful fights to make.

[Pastrano]

Because it isn't true in the context you're using. Hagler is the probably the last boxer you should ever accuse of ducking or fearing anybody. If anybody is going through great lengths it's you to discredit Hagler. And that agenda includes your fantasy that he somehow "ducked" McCallum.




You say Hagler should have fought McCallum "years" before the Leonard fight? Explain why?

I'm a fan of Marvin actually. But however, I am REALISTIC, opposed to you, who are nuthuggers obviously. If Duran, Leonard and Hearns all didn't wanna fight MM, why is it so sure that Hagler wanted??? Correction: Duran, Leonard and Hearns all DUCKED MM on purpose. I believe and always will believe Hagler most likely did the same. 99% sure.