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  • #31
    Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
    Criteria


    * Punching Power
    * Wins over Quality opponents
    * Quality of Era
    * Dominance
    * Accomplishment



    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Max Schmelling
    3. Joe Louis
    4. Bob Fitzsimmons
    5. George Foreman
    6. John L Sullivan
    7. Max Baer
    8. Sonny Liston
    9. Mike Tyson
    10. Vitali Klitschko
    11. Muhammad Ali
    12. Harry Wills
    13. Gene Tunney
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Jack Dempsey
    16. Rid**** Bowe
    17. Joe Frazier
    18. Larry Holmes
    19. Jack Johnson
    20. Samuel Langford
    21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
    22. Evander Holyfield
    23. Jim Jeffries
    24. Oliver Mccall
    25. Earnie Shavers
    26. David Tua
    27. Young Stribling
    28. Tommy Morrison
    29. Paddy Ryan
    30. Frank Bruno
    Well if nothing else I'll give you credit for having an original list. Not at all accurate, but original for sure.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
      Criteria


      * Punching Power
      * Wins over Quality opponents
      * Quality of Era
      * Dominance
      * Accomplishment



      1. Lennox Lewis
      2. Max Schmelling
      3. Joe Louis
      4. Bob Fitzsimmons
      5. George Foreman
      6. John L Sullivan
      7. Max Baer
      8. Sonny Liston
      9. Mike Tyson
      10. Vitali Klitschko
      11. Muhammad Ali
      12. Harry Wills
      13. Gene Tunney
      14. Rocky Marciano
      15. Jack Dempsey
      16. Rid**** Bowe
      17. Joe Frazier
      18. Larry Holmes
      19. Jack Johnson
      20. Samuel Langford
      21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
      22. Evander Holyfield
      23. Jim Jeffries
      24. Oliver Mccall
      25. Earnie Shavers
      26. David Tua
      27. Young Stribling
      28. Tommy Morrison
      29. Paddy Ryan
      30. Frank Bruno
      Oh man. You have to be kidding. :-)

      Forget about LL - Max Schmelling at #2 and Max Baer at #7?

      How can VK be at #10? He's a likeable guy but all of his opponents, except for LL, have been contenders.

      Ernie Shavers, David Tua, Tommy Morrison and Frank Bruno make the list? Would you really put Frank Bruno above Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Scott9945 View Post
        Well if nothing else I'll give you credit for having an original list. Not at all accurate, but original for sure.









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        • #34
          Originally posted by bklynboy View Post
          Oh man. You have to be kidding. :-)

          Forget about LL - Max Schmelling at #2 and Max Baer at #7?
          -Can you name a better Heavyweight win than Schmelling over a Prime undefeated Joe Louis? Seriously can you?

          -Baer was a great heavyweight, and had to tone his game down because he was literally killing guys in the ring.

          Ernie Shavers, David Tua, Tommy Morrison and Frank Bruno make the list? Would you really put Frank Bruno above Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe?
          If you were making a straight up P4P skills list then you would be correct. But Heavyweight is about punching power and Bruno, Morrison, Shavers all have insane KO ratios. Walcot and Ezzard have low KO ratios and existed in a weak Heavyweight era.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
            If you were making a straight up P4P skills list then you would be correct. But Heavyweight is about punching power and Bruno, Morrison, Shavers all have insane KO ratios. Walcot and Ezzard have low KO ratios and existed in a weak Heavyweight era.
            All that matters it is winning. After that it is who you have fought. Having power is a short cut to winning, but the KO ratios only indicate a fighter's punching power, not his fighting skills.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
              -Can you name a better Heavyweight win than Schmelling over a Prime undefeated Joe Louis? Seriously can you?
              No. That was up there with Ali-Liston. Truly a great win. But it was avenged. AND you could say that Joe Louis' reign and domination of the fight game far exceeded Schmelling - so shouldn't Louis be above Schmelling?

              Baer was a great heavyweight, and had to tone his game down because he was literally killing guys in the ring.
              No doubt he had a punch - but then so did Shavers. I read that he lost some heart after killing Frankie Campbell. But then we enter would-coulda-shoulda territory.

              If you were making a straight up P4P skills list then you would be correct. But Heavyweight is about punching power and Bruno, Morrison, Shavers all have insane KO ratios. Walcot and Ezzard have low KO ratios and existed in a weak Heavyweight era.
              Yeah - and Archie Moore isn't on the list and he has a few KOs. I think the list is overweighted with heavy punchers. Bruno, Morrison and Shavers all had punches but, in my opinion, were not that good.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bklynboy View Post
                Yeah - and Archie Moore isn't on the list and he has a few KOs. I think the list is overweighted with heavy punchers. Bruno, Morrison and Shavers all had punches but, in my opinion, were not that good.
                Archie Moore was a Light Heavyweight who never won the crown at HW.

                I find it hilarious how you criticize my Heavyweight list for being "overweighted by heavy punchers." Punching Power isnt everything but it should be factored in when speaking on this particular division.
                Last edited by Joeyzagz; 05-16-2011, 05:23 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
                  Archie Moore was a Light Heavyweight who never won the crown at HW.

                  I find it hilarious how you criticize my Heavyweight list for being "overweighted by heavy punchers." Punching Power isnt everything but it should be factored in when speaking on this particular division.
                  true - I stand corrected on that. But I think Archie Moore would beat Morrison and Bruno.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JoeyZagz View Post
                    Archie Moore was a Light Heavyweight who never won the crown at HW.

                    I find it hilarious how you criticize my Heavyweight list for being "overweighted by heavy punchers." Punching Power isnt everything but it should be factored in when speaking on this particular division.
                    Sam Langford never won the heavyweight crown either, and was certainly not at his best weight at heavyweight. You've got him at #20.

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                    • #40
                      Top 5 heavyweight boxers of all time

                      Ali
                      Foreman
                      Lewis
                      Holmes
                      Norton or Frazier

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