Roy Jones vs Chad Dawson at lhw

[musiol]

Dawson has a better jab

The will to win. The ability to fight through adversity.

Dawson showed his when he fought Johnson in their first fight. Even though he didnt give a good account of himself with Pascal he was slowly starting to take over the fight rather than give up

Jones dug deep during the last rounds of the Tarver I fight, seemed to be content to finish during other tough fights like Johnson and Tarver III

At lhw Jones punch output is around 35-40 punches per round.

I'm talking about work rate (i.e avg punch output) and you are talking about a couple of hard fights?

I don't remember saying it did. I'm just listings their attributes. I take it comprehension isn't your strong point

I listed the Tarver fights as a stylistic match-up. Jones vs a tall rangy southpaw

Also how the **** was he shot?

You don't have the slightest clue what you are going on about. Intangibles have nothing to do with whether a fighter is in their prime or not. Example take Morales who was shot against Maidana or Toney vs Peters II

dont have a clue funny followed boxing for 23yrs its weird how no one has a agreed with you, your taking about the ten year p4p king in his day v dawson who in his prime was beaten recently by our good friend pascal no man beat prime jones fact m888888888

[Toney616]

dont have a clue funny followed boxing for 23yrs its weird how no one has a agreed with you,

No one has agreed with me on what? Physical attributes? I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong on something. You notice I made of point of saying I didnt know certain things and I never insulted anyone here either for disagreeing we me, unlike a certain poster here

your taking about the ten year p4p king in his day

All of that p4p stuff is a load of rubbish. People treating an IMAGINARY ranking system as though it means something

v dawson who in his prime was beaten recently by our good friend pascal no man beat prime jones fact m888888888

Montell Griffin


Also you still haven't answered my question, how was Jones shot exactly?

[musiol]

No one has agreed with me on what? Physical attributes? I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong on something. You notice I made of point of saying I didnt know certain things and I never insulted anyone here either for disagreeing we me, unlike a certain poster here


All of that p4p stuff is a load of rubbish. People treating an IMAGINARY ranking system as though it means something

Montell Griffin


Also you still haven't answered my question, how was Jones shot exactly?

jones was on the slide after heavyweight he only pot shoted in the first tarver fight and was ***d after 6rounds blowing out his arse, since that fight look at his record he was total pants a shadow of the man he was.

montel griffin a knew you would bring that up montel does a dirrel and win by DQ he had just hit the canvas b4 hand and was hurt and gonna be stopped but jones ******ly took his anger out and hit him on the deck,WHY probably because he was having an off nite and was pist off abit.it says a L on his record after that fight but any boxing fan would know that was not the case,the phrase clutching at straws comes to mind when you have to bring that up,

[Toney616]

jones was on the slide after heavyweight

He has been on the slide since the Harmon fight. I don't think it was a coincidence that his prime ended with that fight either

he only pot shoted in the first tarver fight and was ***d after 6rounds blowing out his arse,

That was a conditioning issue, which has nothing to do with whether a fighter is in their prime or not.

for the record I class him as past prime (but still a top fighter), just not shot

since that fight look at his record he was total pants a shadow of the man he was.

Getting koed by Tarver and refusing to train properly sent his career downhill.

montel griffin I knew you would bring that up montel does a dirrel and win by DQ he had just hit the canvas b4 hand and was hurt and gonna be stopped but jones ******ly took his anger out and hit him on the deck,

Irrelevant. He still deserved to get dqed, whether Montell was acting or not. The fight was also about even, which shows that Montell gave a damned good account of himself. The rumour I heard was that Perez would of docked two points from Jones if Griffin could of continued. Not to mention that fact that they would of given Griffin time to recover

WHY probably because he was having an off nite and was pist off abit.it says a L on his record after that fight but any boxing fan would know that was not the case,the phrase clutching at straws comes to mind when you have to bring that up,

lol

Griffin was a top fighter and trained by the legendary Eddie Futch. It was Griffins tactics that were gave Jones fits, not the fact that he was having an off night. Grffin's tactics were basically the same ones used by McCallum. Who also gave a good account of himself against Jones

[Pastrano]

Toney's got a point, it depends which Roy Jones we are talking about. The one that koed Griffin in 1 round or the one that barely sc****d a win against Tarver and then got koed by him? Dawson clearly beats the other one, but the first one beats him for sure.

[Toney616]

Toney's got a point, it depends which Roy Jones we are talking about. The one that koed Griffin in 1 round or the one that barely sc****d a win against Tarver and then got koed by him? Dawson clearly beats the other one, but the first one beats him for sure.

Ive got Jones being past prime from the Harmon fight onwards. I only really mentioned the Tarver fights for how he copes with the stylistic matchup

[SCtrojansbaby]

ive got jones being past prime from the harmon fight onwards. i only really mentioned the tarver fights for how he copes with the stylistic matchup

wtf? .

[Toney616]

wtf? .

He had clearly slipped a step by that fight. I'm sure im not the only one to notice he was getting hit more than usual in that fight. Still a top fighter though, just not at his 100% best
When do you have his prime ending?

[SNAKE GRIFFIN]

1. Oh my God
2. You can say that Roy Jones didn't fight any top competition, until you actually watch his career. Then that sort of stops being applicable. Remember when he annihilated the p4p 1 James Toney? Yeah, me too.
3. Oh my God
4. Ever hear of a triangle theory? They're especially laughable when you use an old and rapidly declining fighter. EX: Trevor Berbick > Muhammad Ali > Sonny Liston

Name another great fighter Jnr's beat? apart from a green Hopkins?
Don't pass of Montel Griffin and Virgil Hill as greats.
Don't even consider Tito coming out of retirement and stepping up in weight from middleweight where he was out of his depth a great win.

On the other hand Hopkins wants none of Chad, Calzaghe wanted none of Chad and he beats Pascal easy if he turns up in a rematch.

[JAB5239]

Name another great fighter Jnr's beat? apart from a green Hopkins?
Don't pass of Montel Griffin and Virgil Hill as greats.
Don't even consider Tito coming out of retirement and stepping up in weight from middleweight where he was out of his depth a great win.

On the other hand Hopkins wants none of Chad, Calzaghe wanted none of Chad and he beats Pascal easy if he turns up in a rematch.

Virgil Hill should certainly be considered great. He's one of the top 25 light heavies in history in my opinion. Mind you, I don't consider him an elite great, but he was a top 10 fighter for nearly two decades.