Can someone explain to me how boxing has "evolved" since the middle the last century

[kara]

I wonder if he'll inherit?

I thought he and Don had some big falling out, which is why he vanished off.

[Bundana]

Same old response, you never got the point of that post.

THE CONCEPT OF OLD TIMERS HAVING BETTER CHINS WAS BY VIRTUE OF NATURAL SELECTION NOT A MUTATION. ITS THE SAME CONCEPT OF BASKETBALL PLAYERS GETTING TALLER BECAUSE THE SPORT ATTRACTS TALLER PLAYERS, NOT THAT PLAYERS HAVE ACTUALLY GROWN (7fters have always exsisted but never found a sport that benefitted them).

WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THE SAME STATEMENT WHICH WAS NEVER CLAIMED, NEVER SAID AND IS SOMETHING YOU MADE UP IN YOUR OWN MIND. GO REREAD THE THREAD GODAMNIT.

I know what my original point was. The sport didn���������������¢����������������������������� � ��t allow to anyone to have a glass jaw, they never got past journeyman status. The Petronelli brothers said if a fighter was found to have a glass jaw, he was told to quit regardless of his talent.

not trying to be overly rude here but can you confirm to me the point I was making? Please repeat it back to me. You keep wording it like I was claiming people as a whole had tougher chins and evolved to have glass jaws through softer living. NO just like a swimmers body is something you are born with, so is a chin. YOU NEEDED a strong jaw to make it in boxing so therefore all the top fighters back in the day HAD GOOD CHINS. Any of the glass jawed fighters remained club fighters and were likely rarely or never recorded. In a sport with 8oz horse hair gloves and almost a requirement to ���¢��������fight���¢�������� in order to sell tickets, coupled with the general temperament of the time (we had wars every 20 years up until then) means a glass jaw is not gonna be something a world champion or a number 1 ranked contender would somehow have.

YOU DON���������������¢������������������������������ � �T NEED A GOOD CHIN ANYMORE TO MAKE IT TO TOP AS LONG AS YOU HAVE GOOD MANAGERS. There are 5x times as many belts ffs, and a fighters worth is purely valued by his draw numbers. There are fighters today that are 30-0 and still haven�t even passed a chin test thanks to managers and weak competition / amateur styles.

Here we go again... no, you didn't need to have a strong jaw, to make it beyond journeyman/club fighter level back in the old days. You even agreed with this in the other thread, when I pointed out that there were glass jawed boxers (Hank Hankinson, Eddie Mader), who were world ranked (Top-10) by The Ring back in the day! So why do you continue with the claim, that the sport didn't allow fighters to go beyond journeyman status, unless they had a strong jaw?

What are the things you never said, but something I dreamed up in my my mind? You never said, that today's boxers have thinner sculls than back in the old days? Or that most modern boxers have glass jaws?

[Slugfester]

Same old response, you never got the point of that post.

THE CONCEPT OF OLD TIMERS HAVING BETTER CHINS WAS BY VIRTUE OF NATURAL SELECTION NOT A MUTATION. ITS THE SAME CONCEPT OF BASKETBALL PLAYERS GETTING TALLER BECAUSE THE SPORT ATTRACTS TALLER PLAYERS, NOT THAT PLAYERS HAVE ACTUALLY GROWN (7fters have always exsisted but never found a sport that benefitted them).

WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO YOU KEEP REPEATING THE SAME STATEMENT WHICH WAS NEVER CLAIMED, NEVER SAID AND IS SOMETHING YOU MADE UP IN YOUR OWN MIND. GO REREAD THE THREAD GODAMNIT.

I know what my original point was. The sport didn���������������¢����������������������������� � ��t allow to anyone to have a glass jaw, they never got past journeyman status. The Petronelli brothers said if a fighter was found to have a glass jaw, he was told to quit regardless of his talent.

not trying to be overly rude here but can you confirm to me the point I was making? Please repeat it back to me. You keep wording it like I was claiming people as a whole had tougher chins and evolved to have glass jaws through softer living. NO just like a swimmers body is something you are born with, so is a chin. YOU NEEDED a strong jaw to make it in boxing so therefore all the top fighters back in the day HAD GOOD CHINS. Any of the glass jawed fighters remained club fighters and were likely rarely or never recorded. In a sport with 8oz horse hair gloves and almost a requirement to ���¢��������fight���¢�������� in order to sell tickets, coupled with the general temperament of the time (we had wars every 20 years up until then) means a glass jaw is not gonna be something a world champion or a number 1 ranked contender would somehow have.

YOU DON���������������¢������������������������������ � �T NEED A GOOD CHIN ANYMORE TO MAKE IT TO TOP AS LONG AS YOU HAVE GOOD MANAGERS. There are 5x times as many belts ffs, and a fighters worth is purely valued by his draw numbers. There are fighters today that are 30-0 and still haven�t even passed a chin test thanks to managers and weak competition / amateur styles.

Dang it. Are you talking about mutations and evolution again? A full Mutation occurred in something like a hundred years? I explained something before. It is not one gene that would simply mutate and make a stronger chin? These genes (most of) would comprise a section of chromosonal strand comprised of many genes. Permission to modify calcium balance permanently will need to be attained elsewhere on the double helix, etc., etc.

We have the jaws we have because that is what we needed. Nature responded over a long epoch to adjust its strength to our needs, so the story goes. All of our bones do not possess the same density, which is a common oversight. The softest bone in the body is the clavicle or collar bone. That sounds strange, but the density of the collar bone was evolved over epochs again, according to the story, just like the mandible. We evolved our mandible density to chew food with. Prehistorical human jaws were larger because they did a lot more work with their jaws, such as chewing hides. We evolved away from big mandibles when we no longer needed the attached muscle mass . This takes at least tens of thousand of years, but does mean the people of 1900 A.D. had stronger chins, if you are trying to stick to the scientific story you seem to want for support.

We could now, however, theoretically make a genetically stronger human jaw through CRISPR techniques; that is, if we only knew all the myriad other encoded genes that would need to get involved, such as those for teeth and gums, and many other places, that is, providing we had an embryo to work with.

Strengthening neck and jaw muscles is the only way to strengthen a chin for boxing that I would believe in. And absorb the proper amounts of calcium to keep from losing density.

How does this short term evolution of yours work exactly?

[Willie Pep 229]

Dang it. Are you talking about mutations and evolution again? A full Mutation occurred in something like a hundred years? I explained something before. It is not one gene that would simply mutate and make a stronger chin? These genes (most of) would comprise a section of chromosonal strand comprised of many genes. Permission to modify calcium balance permanently will need to be attained elsewhere on the double helix, etc., etc.

We have the jaws we have because that is what we needed. Nature responded over a long epoch to adjust its strength to our needs, so the story goes. All of our bones do not possess the same density, which is a common oversight. The softest bone in the body is the clavicle or collar bone. That sounds strange, but the density of the collar bone was evolved over epochs again, according to the story, just like the mandible. We evolved our mandible density to chew food with. Prehistorical human jaws were larger because they did a lot more work with their jaws, such as chewing hides. We evolved away from big mandibles when we no longer needed the attached muscle mass . This takes at least tens of thousand of years, but does mean the people of 1900 A.D. had stronger chins, if you are trying to stick to the scientific story you seem to want for support.

We could now, however, theoretically make a genetically stronger human jaw through CRISPR techniques; that is, if we only knew all the myriad other encoded genes that would need to get involved, such as those for teeth and gums, and many other places, that is, providing we had an embryo to work with.

Strengthening neck and jaw muscles is the only way to strengthen a chin for boxing that I would believe in. And absorb the proper amounts of calcium to keep from losing density.

How does this short term evolution of yours work exactly?

RE Bold

The possibility of unforseen consequence of this type of behavior is frightening.

As you state, we got here after several epochs of trial an error. We need to be very careful how quickly we advance or we might create a human Bulldog. E.g. strengthen the jaw and phuck up the breathing, ETC.

But yea, nothing genetic has happened since 1900, it (the systen called Life) just doesn't work like that.

[QueensburyRules]

Dang it. Are you talking about mutations and evolution again? A full Mutation occurred in something like a hundred years? I explained something before. It is not one gene that would simply mutate and make a stronger chin? These genes (most of) would comprise a section of chromosonal strand comprised of many genes. Permission to modify calcium balance permanently will need to be attained elsewhere on the double helix, etc., etc.

We have the jaws we have because that is what we needed. Nature responded over a long epoch to adjust its strength to our needs, so the story goes. All of our bones do not possess the same density, which is a common oversight. The softest bone in the body is the clavicle or collar bone. That sounds strange, but the density of the collar bone was evolved over epochs again, according to the story, just like the mandible. We evolved our mandible density to chew food with. Prehistorical human jaws were larger because they did a lot more work with their jaws, such as chewing hides. We evolved away from big mandibles when we no longer needed the attached muscle mass . This takes at least tens of thousand of years, but does mean the people of 1900 A.D. had stronger chins, if you are trying to stick to the scientific story you seem to want for support.

We could now, however, theoretically make a genetically stronger human jaw through CRISPR techniques; that is, if we only knew all the myriad other encoded genes that would need to get involved, such as those for teeth and gums, and many other places, that is, providing we had an embryo to work with.

Strengthening neck and jaw muscles is the only way to strengthen a chin for boxing that I would believe in. And absorb the proper amounts of calcium to keep from losing density.

How does this short term evolution of yours work exactly?

- - Evolution is reading a book or building a playhouse. Instant evolution...sorted...

[Slugfester]

RE Bold

The possibility of unforseen consequence of this type of behavior is frightening.

As you state, we got here after several epochs of trial an error. We need to be very careful how quickly we advance or we might create a human Bulldog. E.g. strengthen the jaw and phuck up the breathing, ETC.

But yea, nothing genetic has happened since 1900, it (the systen called Life) just doesn't work like that.

Yep, I always assume they are going to create everything they are allowed to and everything they are not. The scary part is, some of "they," will be ordinary citizens with some knowledge of biology, and some with no knowledge of it. You know where that is going.

[them_apples]

RE Bold

The possibility of unforseen consequence of this type of behavior is frightening.

As you state, we got here after several epochs of trial an error. We need to be very careful how quickly we advance or we might create a human Bulldog. E.g. strengthen the jaw and phuck up the breathing, ETC.

But yea, nothing genetic has happened since 1900, it (the systen called Life) just doesn't work like that.

Eugenics isnt even a lost art. Its just taboo to talk about due to our government propaganda wing (Meta)

Marxism is Eugenics.

the concept of whiping out those that think critically and keeping the dependants alive and allowing them to breed.

4 generations later you have a chinese citizen that still wears a mask, in a car and doesnt know why even if you asked them

same reason russians will have children just for a war.

you can even argue its not unethical because it is done willfully - just like how a yorkshire terrier has a tendancy to chase mice

the breeding program itself was rough (marxism, communism) however once complete it really isn’t abusive at all.

I think it was stalin who said “ill whipe out half the population of russia to install communism”.

gulags used to hit everyone at random with charges they never committed. Those that fought and argued were tortured and killed, those that admitted them regardless got off light and likely still had kids. It went on from the 20’s until the 50s.

hence the term 2+2 = 5 in the book 1984

they basically wanted a population that had a tendancy to embrace cognitive dissonance. Aka they trusted others opionions of reality over their own. They denied their own reality in place of someone elses. Catholicism was the first form of this idea. Very clever system indeed. Very clever installation. So clever it captured europe for 1000 years, and Islam even copied it, emerging not so long after and running parallel.

very likely the C19 rollout was the ********ic method of Marxism. This is why Trump is always throwing the word Marxism around. He flirts with danger. c19 requires cognitive dissonance (nothing adds up, but believe it anyways because we say so) those that don’t were beaten over the head with a stick, lost their jobs etc - whats worse they earned their yellow star….