Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[joseph5620]

If you don't have Pacquiao as a top 15 modern boxer then you really should stop watching posting or even thinking about boxing.
As for people comparing his to prehistoric boxers like Harry Greb or Ray Robinson all I can do is laugh. Pre historic boxing and modern boxing are hardly even the same sport.

You should have stopped posting a long time ago. Especially after you claimed Virgil Hill and Jose Luis Ramirez were better fighters than Pernell Whitaker. Of course you thought Whitaker legitimately lost to Ramirez.


For someone who thinks a NC is the same as a TKO, you should show a little more humility.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Why do you always refer to them as "****ty" then.

When did I refer to them as shytty(if that is what you wrote?)?

They are just totally different eras and dumb to compare especially in terms of head to head. Not only because boxers back then fought 3x as much, but modern boxers are better athletes.

Yes sure there are a handful of exceptions but modern athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger smarter and better. As much as you want to fight it modern technology, science, nutrition and medicine does make you a better athlete. And yes athleticism is a HUGE part of boxing.

[SBleeder]

When did I refer to them as shytty(if that is what you wrote?)?

They are just totally different eras and dumb to compare especially in terms of head to head. Not only because boxers back then fought 3x as much, but modern boxers are better athletes.

Yes sure there are a handful of exceptions but modern athletes in all sports are bigger faster stronger smarter and better. As much as you want to fight it modern technology, science, nutrition and medicine does make you a better athlete. And yes athleticism is a HUGE part of boxing.

He's right, guys.

Modern fighters benefit from modern, scientific training methods, like hitting a heavy bag.

[Holtol]

He's right, guys.

Modern fighters benefit from modern, scientific training methods, like hitting a heavy bag.

And modern nutrition. They did not used to eat fruit vegatables and meat way back then.

[SCtrojansbaby]

He's right, guys.

Modern fighters benefit from modern, scientific training methods, like hitting a heavy bag.

You really should pick up a book if you don't think Science Nutrition etc has not made gigantic advancements from when Ray Robinson fought to today when Manny Pacquiao is fighting.

[Steak]

lol, always laugh at that 'scientific breakthrough' garbage. Modern athletes almost exculsively train old school, with sparring, jump rope, heavy bag, speed bag, double end...they had all that crap throughout history.

[Steak]

You really should pick up a book if you don't think Science Nutrition etc has not made gigantic advancements from when Ray Robinson fought to today when Manny Pacquiao is fighting.

this is true, out of shape boxers or ones that grew up without a healthy diet and living on scraps(Pacquiao) could never make it in boxing today. every boxer is in flawlessly better shape than ones from 40 years ago!

[crold1]

lol, always laugh at that 'scientific breakthrough' garbage. Modern athletes almost exculsively train old school, with sparring, jump rope, heavy bag, speed bag, double end...they had all that crap throughout history.

Nonsense. Today's athletes are bigger...stronger...faster...(which is true sometimes because of day before weigh ins that allow lots of guys to cheat down an extra class or two but um...)

Why, today, the Welterweight champion officially weighs no more than 147 lbs. Yesterday...oh, wait. Well, Jimmy McLarnin was 5'6, 146 1/4 with a 67-inch reach when he beat Ross for the title. Compare that to Pacquiao winning his first Welter belt against Cotto at 5'6 1/2, 144, with a 67 inch reach.

Wow.

Progress.

Well, there's Heavyweight though. What would Joe Louis have done against a 6'6 250 lb. monster with coordination and...

...ssssshhhh, Buddy Baer, keep it down over there.

Boxing ain't football.

[SCtrojansbaby]

lol, always laugh at that 'scientific breakthrough' garbage. Modern athletes almost exculsively train old school, with sparring, jump rope, heavy bag, speed bag, double end...they had all that crap throughout history.

Yeah so and Usain Bolt just runs on a track and does some squats like Jesse Owens do they run equally as fast?

[SBleeder]

You really should pick up a book if you don't think Science Nutrition etc has not made gigantic advancements from when Ray Robinson fought to today when Manny Pacquiao is fighting.

Manny Pacquiao's training info:

http://img541.imageshack.us/i/mannypacquiao1.jpg/

Eggs, omelettes, rice, chicken, watermelon... all high-tech stuff.

About the only thing that old-school fighters didn't have that modern fighters do is the ability to take human growth hormone and testosterone through a needle. What are you trying to imply?