would it be illogical to have willie pep P4P #1

[JAB5239]

you will have to show me where it is that i have "LIED" and where it is that i have refused to answer questions?..

"Once again, resume is based on WHO you beat more than anything else. Do you disagree with this?"


"If Pep has the better resume than why has Langford have more names on his ranked on every list? Can you provide a link showing Pep fought better fighters? Are you going to post your top 20 lists so we can debate where the fighters I mention earlier belong?"

Do these questions look familiar? All still unanswered.

i laughed at the last part of your reply when once again you suggest shall we post a poll"... you are once again looking for back-up because you know i have caught you out again.

I don't need back up, I know how the poll will turn out because the posters in this section are open minded and can see the facts for themselves.

so let me for the final time point out to you a Boxing statistical fact. "Willie Pep holds the record for the greatest peak win-loss record of 134-1-1"... yet you dismiss that fact and claim there are "Too many with better resumes"....

Your little fact while impressive is what is immaterial, unless of course you judge a resume by the amount of wins instead of the level of fighters actually beaten. In this department Pep simply is not up there with Langford and I've provided you precious links to prove this.

your suggestion of a poll is completely imaterial because i posted a subject 4 days ago to test out what kind of knowledge the posters in this section have of the great fighters in history, that subject is "Who wins between Emile Griffith v Floyd Mayweather @147lbs" and just as i expected that subject received not a single response in 3 days,

Real classy putting down the posters of this section when you're the one who routinely gets taken to school on here. Your narcissism is hysterical!

you yourself actually moved the thread for some unknown reason yet you never made a comment on that thread, with the reason being that you know nothing whatsoever about Emile Griffith or his style of fighting so did not want to commit yourself and have me shoot you down in flames.

What is it, is it an unknown reason or a reason being? Get it together already. The reason it was moved is because it belonged in the fantasy fight section. But you're right, Im not well versed with Griffith and Im not ashamed to admit it. Unlike you I don't try to speak authoritatively about things I don't know.But I have spoken with Mr. Griffith several times on facebook and will be making an effort to understand his career more closely when Im down with the crop of fighters I've been focused on the past several months.

. like all your cronies on this forum who are only young kids who was still in junior school at the turn of the century.. yet your asking to make a poll and have them decide if Willie Pep boxing statistical resume stands up against Sam Langfords..

Age doesn't dictate knowledge, only wisdom. You're sorely lacking in both.

That is the way you operate JAB, as soon as you feel the heat you turn for help from your young friends who do not have a clue who Willie Pep or Emile Griffith are or was and only know who Langford was because you have told them about him on this forum.

Wow, you certainly have your finger on the pulse of this board. If we're such a sorry crop of posters why do you keep coming back? You did after all say you would never post here again, yet here you are. Just another lie of the many, right?

[JAB5239]

Langford lost to most of the fighters you listed and lost many times to them so if it is based on "WHO YOU BEAT" like you claim it is then Pep wins by a landslide, also many of Langfords wins are debatable newspaper decisions.. Pep beat the very best opposition there was to beat and was world champion for 6yrs going 134-1-1...

Who beat more top 50 fighters ranked p4p all time? Who beat more IBHOF inductees? Who is recognized as the greater fighter by the IBRO? You love list yet don't want to comment on the ones I've provided. Hmm.

What Top 20 list do you want me to make?

I said these fighters with the exception of McVea and Jeanette were all top 20 fighters all time in their respective divisions. Gans, walcott, Blackburn, Johnson (who would later avoid him like the plague), Ketchel, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, McVea, Jeanette, Norfolk and Flowers. You asked for a link and I challenged you to provide top 20 list where these guys WOULDN'T be included. You won't do it because you know Im right. If not...go for it!

i disagree with you claiming others on here are openminded... some are and some are very knowledgable but many are in their teens and know virtually nothing about the sport.

Yep, now you know the ages of the many posters here.

you aint proved or provided nothing.. Pep beat many men who was World Champion (more than Langford) but you are dismissing those World champions as nobodies.

You have a serious problem with lying, did you know that? Provide a link where I ever dismissed any of those guys as "nobodies". I've simply said and will reiterate the Langford beat better fighters in his career.

IMO i have never ever been taken to school on this forum in the 7yrs i have been a member yet the number of times i have taken you to school over the last 6 months alone is greater than what you claim my age to be.

Lol, this just goes to show how big your ego and air of self importance is. Pathetic!

i disagree with you in that Age does dictate how much knowledge one can have of this particular sport.. id a guy has followed the sport religiously for say 40yrs compared to another guy who has done the same for only 8yrs then that guy with the 40yrs of knowledge will have the most to offer in debate on a greater variety of fighters.. an example i have collected a vast library of fight-films over the last 40yrs and if i was to give them to my young nephew (19yr old) to view, it would take him to he was 35yrs old to view them all and that watching 24hrs per day.

None of this means anything when your closed minded and think you know it all. I'll take an open minded person wanting to learn over a closed minded wanna be know of all any day of the week.

The reason i decided to post again on this forum was to keep you in check.. to correct your many mistakes you make each day and to let the younger members know the correct historical facts of the great fighters who fought before they was born, because you simply are not telling it like it really was JAB .. your slacking my friend so i need to be here to help you out and make sure the facts get printed.... i also enjoy all the red K you send me each time i help you out as it lets me know that you appreciate my imput.

No, the reason you started posting again is because you have a familiarity here and didn't want to go through the ridicule and embarrassment of having your moronic views laughed at being the "new guy". Either way, its just another lie you told. Its a pattern with you.

[JAB5239]

JAB.. Let me answer these questions for you in honesty... i provided a list for you before you even provided a list so let me once again post up that link for you which you over-looked and you will see they have Pep at No5 and Langford No10 yet this is not about ranking or who would beat who its about resume and 134-1-1 is the greatest in boxing history wether you like it or not... you seem to think i do not rate Sam Langford for some reason and again you could not be further from the truth.



http://boxing.about.com/od/history/a/50_greatest.htm

You're still ducking my questions and still have not made any lists. And when did ESPN become experts in boxing when they in fact have very little coverage of it in comparison to other sports? Who was part of the poll, was it fans? And with all that Langford has still fought 3 fighters in the top 50 in comparison to Peps 1.

i don't lie and never have lied.

Really? Look below for just one example of your lies.

there is also no self-importance here only from yourself who on a daily basis acknowledges ALL members personal opinions with the exception of "SONNYBOY" yes thats correct everyone can express their opinion on the forum except SONNYBOY... and if SONNYBOY expresses his opinion you delete that opinion is this correct JAB?

This right here is a lie. Show me one opinion of yours I've deleted in this thread. The only thing you're barred from talking about is LL because of you obsessive hatred and trolling. Get use to it because it will never change. Do you realize since I came back yesterday I had to delete nearly half your post because they were LL hate related with other poster making comments to you like "not this again".

i do not think i know it all but i am 100% certain that i know a vast amount more about this sport that what you know or that you will ever know.

I wish that were true because Im willing to learn from anyone with an objective open mind. Unfortunately you do not fall under that category.

The real reason i came back to post on this forum was because i was e.mailed and asked by some members to return to the forum because it was "not the same without me posting" The forum was dying a death with very little traffic since i quit so would i come back and post. i deliberated over it for a couple of days and decided i would give it another go last weekend, within 2 days the traffic on the site started to pick-up and i received e.mails saying welcome back Sonny we have missed your imput. i even received Green K saying so, as well as my usual red K from Mr Pedigree along with yourself JAB calling me a liar... you then with your moderator powers decided to delete from me that Green K and leave me in the red but the members decided against you and turned me back to green within the hour... JAB you are not a guy who likes to discuss boxing, you are a guy who only likes to hear his own voice otherwise you would not keep deleting my posts and it's not as if others don't notice what you are doing, they do... so remember this buddy "i am here to help you keep the traffic flowing" but here mostly to talk boxing with my e.mail friends and others who i admire as real boxing men.

Ahh I get it...you want me out as moderator, so you're going to help me keep the board going! Thats a brilliant plan!

You need not reply to this post Sonny. Anything not concerning the the thread title will be deleted. If you feel the need to keep talking of other things than that you should go to the comments and suggestions section.

[Spartacus Sully]

"Willie Pep holds the record for the greatest peak win-loss record of 134-1-1"

Thats a ****ing amazing record....but during that time pep fought from feather weight to light weight and fought people who were featherweight to light weight.....not exactly what i would call a P4P achievement.

perhaps greatest of all time at 123-135 but #1 P4P, I wouldnt say so.

[JAB5239]

Thats a ****ing amazing record....but during that time pep fought from feather weight to light weight and fought people who were featherweight to light weight.....not exactly what i would call a P4P achievement.

perhaps greatest of all time at 123-135 but #1 P4P, I wouldnt say so.

He's the greatest featherweight all time in my opinion. But that isn't p4p.

[Barn]

Saying newspaper decisions for Langford were "debatable" is insane.

I can never recall reading of a fight where Langford benefited from any one of these decisions.

If it wasn't for crappy decisions Langford would have been Welterweight champion.

[IronDanHamza]

you will have to show me where it is that i have "LIED" and where it is that i have refused to answer questions?.. i laughed at the last part of your reply when once again you suggest shall we post a poll"... you are once again looking for back-up because you know i have caught you out again. so let me for the final time point out to you a Boxing statistical fact. "Willie Pep holds the record for the greatest peak win-loss record of 134-1-1"... yet you dismiss that fact and claim there are "Too many with better resumes".... your suggestion of a poll is completely imaterial because i posted a subject 4 days ago to test out what kind of knowledge the posters in this section have of the great fighters in history, that subject is "Who wins between Emile Griffith v Floyd Mayweather @147lbs" and just as i expected that subject received not a single response in 3 days, you yourself actually moved the thread for some unknown reason yet you never made a comment on that thread, with the reason being that you know nothing whatsoever about Emile Griffith or his style of fighting so did not want to commit yourself and have me shoot you down in flames.. like all your cronies on this forum who are only young kids who was still in junior school at the turn of the century.. yet your asking to make a poll and have them decide if Willie Pep boxing statistical resume stands up against Sam Langfords.. That is the way you operate JAB, as soon as you feel the heat you turn for help from your young friends who do not have a clue who Willie Pep or Emile Griffith are or was and only know who Langford was because you have told them about him on this forum.

I respect you Sonny, I do. It's abundantly clear you have a vast knowledge of this sport.

But what are you basing your comments off? How do you know how old people in this section are? As far as I'm aware I only know the ages of a handful of people in this section who have there age on display like yourself, Poet, Jab, WBY, TBear etc who are coinsidently all above the age of 40.

I presumed the majority of this section is atleast 30. Maybe I'm wrong but I mean you can't just presume like that, surely? The only person I can think of in this section that's a young kid is RubenSonny and he has an excellent knowledge of the sport for such a young kid.

[Barn]

I respect you Sonny, I do. It's abundantly clear you have a vast knowledge of this sport.

But what are you basing your comments off? How do you know how old people in this section are? As far as I'm aware I only know the ages of a handful of people in this section who have there age on display like yourself, Poet, Jab, WBY, TBear etc who are coinsidently all above the age of 40.

I presumed the majority of this section is atleast 30. Maybe I'm wrong but I mean you can't just presume like that, surely? The only person I can think of in this section that's a young kid is RubenSonny and he has an excellent knowledge of the sport for such a young kid.

The internet is deceiving.

[GJC]

Not totally illogical, Pep is one of a few fighters that you have to respect enough to give him consideration. For my money though no, top 10, but with guys like SRR, Greb and Langford I can't put him at no.1