so basically rocky had no chance against a prime joe

[IronDanHamza]

Like Louis savagely beat Schmeling in their first fight?

No, like how he savagely beat Schmeling when he was actually in shape and taking him seriously.

[BigStereotype]

Like Louis savagely beat Schmeling in their first fight?

I forgot, I'm not allowed to post because I have the Carlos Seal of Ignorance. Dammit...

No, like Louis annihilated Schmeling in their second fight, goon.

[CarlosG815]

I forgot, I'm not allowed to post because I have the Carlos Seal of Ignorance. Dammit...

No, like Louis annihilated Schmeling in their second fight, goon.

Yeah, the guy that took Louis 12 rounds and knocked him out, compared to the guy 2 years later who went down in 1 round and then pretty much retired.

Get a clue, man. You are so ****** with your "He would savagely beat him."

Where do you come up with this idiocy?

[CarlosG815]

No, like how he savagely beat Schmeling when he was actually in shape and taking him seriously.

So it is your opinion that the Schmeling that went down in one round was in the same condition as the one who beat Louis in their first fight?

[IronDanHamza]

So it is your opinion that the Schmeling that went down in one round was in the same condition as the one who beat Louis in their first fight?

It was pretty much common knowledge Schmeling was on the decline before he fought Louis the first time. Thus, why Louis didn't train hard or take Schmeling seriously.

The second fight was Schmeling further in decline, except this time Louis was actually in shape.

Both factors for each fight cancel each other out which is why using Schmeling as a comparison for how he would fair with Rocky is ******.

My personal view is Joe Louis would beat Marciano.

Does Rocky have a chance against Louis? Absolutely, of course he does. Rocky is an ATG HW of course he has a chance.

[joseph5620]

Galento is not Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles.

Except maybe the fact that he was a legitimate heavyweight.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Rocky could have beaten him in his prime...

Watch Galento knock Louis down in his prime... Rocky could pressure him and beat him down.

Not saying Louis couldn't beat him, just saying I'd bet on Rocky.

I can't agree here. I mean, you could have a point if the knockdown punctuated further Galento success --- but as it stands, Galento didn't win one minute of the bout outside of that flooring. I think it's reading too deep into it to use that as a measure for Marciano winning. I mean, a past-it Walcott & Moore in his forties are a very pale imitation of the young Louis indeed, but it would be unfair to Marciano to lengthen his odds because he momentarily hit the canvas (even though Walcott was beating him in their first clash, something Galento could not do against Louis).

In any event, I have always given Marciano less chance than most here. Very little, in fact. It would have to be a quick & violent onslaught. He'd never have a chance of wearing Louis down as I see it, & I see the Bomber winning this fight going away in all likelihood.

TKO10. Maybe a corner retirement.

[GJC]

He managed it alright in the second and Louis was green then.

To be fair Barn whilst I don't think Louis was the finished product I wouldn't say he was green. Remember Schmelling beat him only a few months after Louis destroyed Baer which for many was his greatest fight.
Great win for Schmelling he identified a flaw, took a lot of punishment to exploit it and won.

Re Louis-Marciano. I totally discount the fight they had.

Marciano could take an awful lot of punishment waiting for his chance like Schmelling did so you can't totally write off his chances, also Walcott was beating Marciano comfortably until he made one mistake.

Louis could get caught so Rocky has a realistic chance and Rocky would be his hardest ever fight.

I'm 70/30 to Louis but if the odds were good i'd sneak a £ on the Rock.

[Holtol]

Marciano could take an awful lot of punishment waiting for his chance like Schmelling did so you can't totally write off his chances, also Walcott was beating Marciano comfortably until he made one mistake.

Not arguing your prediction GJC but your logic in that Walcott was beating Marciano comfortably so Louis could is flawed. I believe it was 3 rounds Marciano fought blind, in the first fight against Walcott.

[GJC]

Not arguing your prediction GJC but your logic in that Walcott was beating Marciano comfortably so Louis could is flawed. I believe it was 3 rounds Marciano fought blind, in the first fight against Walcott.

Marciano you're right certainly had his vision problems in that fight but Walcott did fight a great fight. My point more was that I don't see Louis taking Marciano out quickly so as long as Marciano is in there with his great stamina he has a great punchers chance. Assuming we are setting the fight in either of their eras I don't think cuts will be such a factor as nowadays and over a potential 15 rounds can you one, guarantee Louis doesn't make a mistake or Marciano gets through and two, can Louis survive if Marciano hits him with a punch like he took Walcott out with.
Like I say i'm 70/30 Louis but Marciano is a very live body in there.