My attempt at a top 50(1970-present)

[SCtrojansbaby]

You forgot a tier 7.

For guys like Sugar Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Hank Armstrong. Those bums.

You forgot to look at the thread title dummy

[Scott9945]

I overrated Ramirez a little but Hill is clearly ahead IMO

Pernell suffers in the quality win department. Best wins are against Azumah and Ramirez guys clearly past there prime. Give me Hill's wins vs prime Tiozzo 2x and a past his prime Maske

You're really giving credit to Hill for beating a nobody like Tiozzo? And by "past his prime" Maske, you mean in his mid 40's coming off a 10 year retirement. Yeah, just slightly past his prime.

Seriously, Hill wasn't even on the same orbit as Whitaker.

[IMDAZED]

I overrated Ramirez a little but Hill is clearly ahead IMO

Pernell suffers in the quality win department. Best wins are against Azumah and Ramirez guys clearly past there prime. Give me Hill's wins vs prime Tiozzo 2x and a past his prime Maske

Tiozzo and Maske couldn't hold Nelson's jockstrap, past prime or any time.

[SCtrojansbaby]

You're really giving credit to Hill for beating a nobody like Tiozzo? And by "past his prime" Maske, you mean in his mid 40's coming off a 10 year retirement. Yeah, just slightly past his prime.

Seriously, Hill wasn't even on the same orbit as Whitaker.

I don't even think I should dignify this with a response but I will. Hill lost to Maske after the 10 year comeback he beat Maske in 1996 though. Next time check your facts. Also lol at Tiozzo being a nobody.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Tiozzo and Maske couldn't hold Nelson's jockstrap, past prime or any time.

So Jesse James Leija is an all time great also?

[BigStereotype]

I don't even think I should dignify this with a response but I will. Hill lost to Maske after the 10 year comeback he beat Maske in 1996 though. Next time check your facts. Also lol at Tiozzo being a nobody.

Wait...so let me get this straight...your counter was "yeah, you thought that beating a guy coming off a ten year layoff was bad...too bad he LOST to that guy! Joke's on you!" Really dude?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Wait...so let me get this straight...your counter was "yeah, you thought that beating a guy coming off a ten year layoff was bad...too bad he LOST to that guy! Joke's on you!" Really dude?

There was no counter, I stated what happened.

Hill beat Maske in 96 before Maske retired. I could care less that they had a meaningless fight 10 years later when both were well over 40 years old.

[RubenSonny]

So Jesse James Leija is an all time great also?

No one was claiming that, in all 4 fights Nelson was past prime and many thought he won the first fight not to mention that he avenged the 1st loss with a KO, by the time of the last fight he was done as a top fighter and 40 years old.

[joseph5620]

No one was claiming that, in all 4 fights Nelson was past prime and many thought he won the first fight not to mention that he avenged the 1st loss with a KO, by the time of the last fight he was done as a top fighter and 40 years old.

The 31 year old Nelson that Whitaker beat was better than any fighter Hill beat in his entire career. I think SCTrojan has a bias against Whitaker because he made two of his obvious favorites(Chavez,Jose Luis Ramirez) look like amateurs. It's ridiculous for him to even compare those different versions of Nelson.

[RubenSonny]

The 31 year old Nelson that Whitaker beat was better than any fighter Hill beat in his entire career. I think SCTrojan has a bias against Whitaker because he made two of his obvious favorites(Chavez,Jose Luis Ramirez) look like amateurs. It's ridiculous for him to even compare those different versions of Nelson.

Despite the misconceptions (mostly due to the clip of the punch round the back), Whitaker was at his best in that fight and Nelson gave a great account of himself.

I know Trojan has said some pretty bizarre stuff.