Black and White syndrome

[BigStereotype]

You know they weren't, how?

I'm just going with what we know. So far "canon" is that those guys haven't used them. And I really believe it. PED's wouldn't really help a guy like Manning or Brady much anyway. They kill you upstairs more than with their arms, although they both have cannons. If it was all about physical gifts at QB, Jay Cutler would be the GOAT. Honestly, though, PED's don't even bother me that much. People hate them because ESPN tells them to, but I'd be a total hypocrite if I let them bother me. I grew up a SF Giants fan and I watched a lot of Bonds' performances. Hell, I saw 71 and 72 at Pac Bell (it's always Pac Bell to me).

[RubenSonny]

I'm just going with what we know. So far "canon" is that those guys haven't used them. And I really believe it. PED's wouldn't really help a guy like Manning or Brady much anyway. They kill you upstairs more than with their arms, although they both have cannons. If it was all about physical gifts at QB, Jay Cutler would be the GOAT. Honestly, though, PED's don't even bother me that much. People hate them because ESPN tells them to, but I'd be a total hypocrite if I let them bother me. I grew up a SF Giants fan and I watched a lot of Bonds' performances. Hell, I saw 71 and 72 at Pac Bell (it's always Pac Bell to me).

Most top athletes have probably used PEDs, you gotta be naive to think they aren't on PEDs just because you like them. I don't know what makes you think the bolded. The ethics of PEDs arent relevant to the discussion.

[JAB5239]

I don't know if I agree with that. There are a lot of modern ATG's in sports all around. Michael Jordan wasn't on PEDs and he's the greatest ever. And look at Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. There are rules that help them break those records, but even just looking at them, you can see that they're better than most everybody else not named Montana. Maybe Unitas.

Im not saying athletes were better back than either. There have been great athletes in every era. But anyone saying athletes are greater today just isn't looking at all the facts. In most sports surfaces have been greatly improves making it easier to run faster and not be hurt as easily. Equipment has gotten lighter and stronger. Take these factors into consideration and minus the PED's and medical improvement and are athletes really any better?

[BigStereotype]

Most top athletes have probably used PEDs, you gotta be naive to think they aren't on PEDs just because you like them. I don't know what makes you think the bolded. The ethics of PEDs arent relevant to the discussion.

As much as you can detest an athlete, I detest Tom Brady. I'm a Jets fan, man. For all I care, that smug bastard can tear his ACL and never play again. But quarterback isn't a spectacular athlete position like Wide Receiver, Halfback or Corner. It's all mental. Brady and Manning beat you before the snap, which is why I think PED's wouldn't be a huge boon to them. They've both got really good arms, but Cutler has a stronger arm, Carson Palmer has a stronger arm, Phillip Rivers has a stronger arm...my point is, I don't think those guys used PED's. And I think it's overly cynical to think that most top athletes have "probably" used PEDs just because Jose Canseco says so.

[BigStereotype]

Im not saying athletes were better back than either. There have been great athletes in every era. But anyone saying athletes are greater today just isn't looking at all the facts. In most sports surfaces have been greatly improves making it easier to run faster and not be hurt as easily. Equipment has gotten lighter and stronger. Take these factors into consideration and minus the PED's and medical improvement and are athletes really any better?

We're saying the same thing, I think. It just sounded like you meant that all the records being broken nowadays were because of the circumstances, which I disagree with.

[JAB5239]

We're saying the same thing, I think. It just sounded like you meant that all the records being broken nowadays were because of the circumstances, which I disagree with.

Not at all.I'd also point out that some sports have improved through population of people playing them. Boxing however is not one of them.

[BigStereotype]

Not at all.I'd also point out that some sports have improved through population of people playing them. Boxing however is not one of them.

Unfortunately...not that I don't try. I'm a nightmare to be around fight night, always trying to get people to come. If fewer than 20 people are watching Donaire-Montiel with me, I'll be really disappointed. If you get people watching, more of them will likely start to fight, even if it's just to try it. And some of those people will like it.

[Steak]

the thing about boxing is that the better athlete doesnt always win. Boxing has WAY more mental factors than basketball or football, and you cant even compare it to a sport as simple as track. not only skill, but determination, heart, and prefight strategy play a huge roll.


in terms of straight up athletic prowess, most the best athletes came around the 1980s and 90s, not present day. At least when considering things like long jump, high jump, and shotput.

[Marchegiano]

the thing about boxing is that the better athlete doesnt always win. Boxing has WAY more mental factors than basketball or football, and you cant even compare it to a sport as simple as track. not only skill, but determination, heart, and prefight strategy play a huge roll.


in terms of straight up athletic prowess, most the best athletes came around the 1980s and 90s, not present day. At least when considering things like long jump, high jump, and shotput.

Tyson was amazing. One of the most difficult boxers to mimic.

[BigStereotype]

the thing about boxing is that the better athlete doesnt always win. Boxing has WAY more mental factors than basketball or football, and you cant even compare it to a sport as simple as track. not only skill, but determination, heart, and prefight strategy play a huge roll.


in terms of straight up athletic prowess, most the best athletes came around the 1980s and 90s, not present day. At least when considering things like long jump, high jump, and shotput.

LeBron James would have something to say about that...I really can't agree. Pure physical ability is better now than it ever has been and I think that it's only going to keep getting better as medicine and nutrition improve. I was just saying that pure athleticism doesn't necessarily mean better boxers.