David Haye vs Henry Cooper

[Scott9945]

Joe Bugner at 6ft 5ins 230lbs... and you say Haye would be too big?

Chronic underachiever Bugner beat Cooper, just like Amos Johnson and Roger Rischer did. So I fail to see your point.

And BTW, by 6'5 230 I assume you really mean 6'4 212. You seem to be prone to exaggerating facts.

[The Surgeon]

Chronic underachiever Bugner beat Cooper, just like Amos Johnson and Roger Rischer did. So I fail to see your point.

Joe Bugner was in Im a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here a while back and some old lady (cant remember who) called him out on having no killer instict! lol Amused me


Bugner was a Big man but he lacked the Explosivness and speed of Haye wich is what i think wins Haye this fight

[Kid McCoy]

Just finished watching Cooper-Bugner and I noticed how good his jab was. Considering Cooper was old by this time he still had it and should've got the decision.

Haye has problems with the jab, even Fragomeni who's small for a cruiserweight managed to tag him a few times. Up at heavyweight Ruiz had a tiny bit of success.

Prime 4 Prime ( Whatever you consider each fighter's prime )
Heavyweight
12 Rounds

Personally I think that if Haye's going to win this he needs to get Cooper out early-ish. The later the fight goes the more it becomes Cooper's fight, Haye's stamina isn't great and Cooper is used to the 15 rounds. Cooper was very susceptible to cuts which can change the course of a fight in an instant.

I believe this fight doesn't go the distance and Cooper picks up the stoppage.

Between his cuts and his shaky chin I just can't see Cooper beating many top fighters, especially a quick, powerful heavyweight who'd out-weigh him by about 30lbs. Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson, Zora Folley and Joe Bygraves all KO'd Cooper cold. Ali and various others cut him to ribands. The likes of Roger Rischer and Amos Johnson out-pointed him. Thus far Haye's only loss came when he gassed against an experienced contender fairly early in his career. Maybe Cooper does nail him but based on what is known of both I think it's more likely Haye gets to him. Haye by mid-rounds TKO.

Btw, I thought Bugner deserved the decision in a very boring fight.

[sonnyboyx2]

Chronic underachiever Bugner beat Cooper, just like Amos Johnson and Roger Rischer did. So I fail to see your point.

And BTW, by 6'5 230 I assume you really mean 6'4 212. You seem to be prone to exaggerating facts.

no... bugner weighed 230 when he fought Ali and 275 at the end of his career... David Haye weighed 190 and has went to 225 using roids... but if it pleases you to try and catch me out so be it, small things amuse small minds

[Kid McCoy]

no... bugner weighed 230 when he fought Ali and 275 at the end of his career... David Haye weighed 190 and has went to 225 using roids... but if it pleases you to try and catch me out so be it, small things amuse small minds

I trust your evidence for that claim is more credible than your evidence for Lewis being on roids. Can pigs fly?

[The Surgeon]

no... bugner weighed 230 when he fought Ali and 275 at the end of his career... David Haye weighed 190 and has went to 225 using roids... but if it pleases you to try and catch me out so be it, small things amuse small minds

Thats a bit of a bold statement sonnyboy, Haye Really had to boil down to CW, he is a big man and genetically gifted naturally IMO

[joseph5620]

Chronic underachiever Bugner beat Cooper, just like Amos Johnson and Roger Rischer did. So I fail to see your point.

And BTW, by 6'5 230 I assume you really mean 6'4 212. You seem to be prone to exaggerating facts.

[joseph5620]

no... bugner weighed 230 when he fought Ali and 275 at the end of his career... David Haye weighed 190 and has went to 225 using roids... but if it pleases you to try and catch me out so be it, small things amuse small minds

Yeah it's highly unusual for a 6-3 crusierweight to move to the heavyweight division. I wonder what kid of steroids Ali used to go from 180-220

[Scott9945]

no... bugner weighed 230 when he fought Ali and 275 at the end of his career... David Haye weighed 190 and has went to 225 using roids... but if it pleases you to try and catch me out so be it, small things amuse small minds

No...Bugner weighed 212 when he fought Cooper. That is all that is relevant. You can't paint that as him having fought a 230 lb man. Just like James Toney didn't weigh 230+ when he fought Roy Jones. And Bugner was always listed as 6'4. You can call me small minded, but I do have a sharp eye for detail and for BS. You play fast and loose with facts that don't fit your agendas. Expect to be called out on it. I'm sure you have an obscure link somewhere that "proves" that David Haye is using PED's.

[katsidis]

Haye, mid round KO. Cooper never was anything special.