Jack Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis.

[Hitman Hodgson]

Fat and in the worst fight shape of his career, shot and drugged up. Tyson was in no condition to fight anybody yet he still was able to give Lennox some problems for 8 rounds. A good fighter would have gotten Tyson out of there in a hurry, as Danny Williams and Kevin McBride fought the same version of Tyson - a shot one.

And the McCall stoppage was premature? It's clear to me from this post and another you made in another thread that you don't follow boxing and you comment on fights without having watched them. I had that su****ion from your last post, but this one confirms it. Lennox was glossy eyed, stumbled from side to side and had the ref not been there to catch him he would have faceplanted into the mat, just as Berbick did against Tyson. His legs were gone and his mind was dazed. If you think that was premature then I can only imagine that you are saying that simply because you have read an article by a Lennox apologist and you are reciting it as bible. The stoppage was justified as Lennox could not stand up on his own 2 feet. Give me a break with that conspiracy crap. Just because Lennox can't accept defeat and admit that he lost fairly doesn't mean you have to make excuses for him also.

Lewis PUNISHED Tyson for those 8 rounds. He's said many a time that he wanted to punish Tyson for the things he said leading up to the fight. Tyson may not have been prime, but he wasn't the washed up bum people make him out to be.

I've just rewatched the McCall KO and at no point does the ref have to catch him, yes he was unsteady at first, but by the time the ref stopped it he could've continued. Considering he was the champion I think the stoppage was premeture. I do think in the aftermath of Watson-Eubank that referees were a lot quicker to stop fights (an rightly so in a lot of cases), but on this occasion I think the ref should've given Lewis a chance to continue.

[CarlosG815]

Lewis PUNISHED Tyson for those 8 rounds. He's said many a time that he wanted to punish Tyson for the things he said leading up to the fight. Tyson may not have been prime, but he wasn't the washed up bum people make him out to be.

I've just rewatched the McCall KO and at no point does the ref have to catch him, yes he was unsteady at first, but by the time the ref stopped it he could've continued. Considering he was the champion I think the stoppage was premeture. I do think in the aftermath of Watson-Eubank that referees were a lot quicker to stop fights (an rightly so in a lot of cases), but on this occasion I think the ref should've given Lewis a chance to continue.

The bolded sentence above has just cost you any credibility you may have had.

And if you just rewatched it, you still deny that Lewis stumbled forward into the ref after the count of ten?

[Scott9945]

The bolded sentence above has just cost you any credibility you may have had.

And if you just rewatched it, you still deny that Lewis stumbled forward into the ref after the count of ten?

Lewis was on his feet, so the count never reached ten. Never before has a heavyweight title holder had the fight stopped after one punch in an early round that he got up from. Lewis should have been given the chance to at least show he could defend himself. The referee could have stopped the fight seconds later if he couldn't. Probably the same result, but the champ deserved a chance to defend his title.

[Hitman Hodgson]

Lennox never fought a top contender who was prime - that is a fact and it is usually only detested by Brits/Canadians/Europeans and Lennox apologists.

Ruddock, Bruno, Tua, Grant, Akinwande, Golota, Briggs, Mavrovich, Vitali.

Lennox was put to sleep in the 2nd round by Oliver McCall. He is the only fighter believed by many to be "great" who was put to sleep so convincingly and so early in a fight by a single punch. This is a fact. I started a thread on it and with many replies, he was the only one - FACT.

I have no respect for Lewis as a fighter

Wow.

Still, I don't factor these things when I think about fantasy matchups. I look at Lewis' terrible footwork, his lack of defense, and his glass jaw and I can easily determine that a fast, strong, good moving fighter with a ton of power and great footwork like Jack Dempsey would have zero problems with the big and slow glass jawed Lennox Lewis.

Lewis' chin was solid. He faced a lot of big punchers and beat everyone of them. He was only down twice in his career. And slow? Lewis (early in his career in particular) was very quick for a HW. How many HWs from that era are faster? Tyson is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

You can't honestly watch film on Dempsey destroying men then watch Lennox struggle and get KO'd by journeyman and sparring partners and say my case is simply based on bias.

McCall and Rahman were hardly journeymen, Rahman especially.

I'm not saying Dempsey wouldn't cause Lewis problems. But, I think a prime, fully focused Lewis would have too much for Dempsey.

[Hitman Hodgson]

The bolded sentence above has just cost you any credibility you may have had.

And if you just rewatched it, you still deny that Lewis stumbled forward into the ref after the count of ten?

The count never reached 10. I never denied he did stumble forward, I disputed whether the ref had to catch him. Which he didn't.

[CarlosG815]

I'm not saying Dempsey wouldn't cause Lewis problems. But, I think a prime, fully focused Lewis would have too much for Dempsey.

By listing the fighters above as "prime" you are making yourself look even worse.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis was on his feet, so the count never reached ten. Never before has a heavyweight title holder had the fight stopped after one punch in an early round that he got up from. Lewis should have been given the chance to at least show he could defend himself. The referee could have stopped the fight seconds later if he couldn't. Probably the same result, but the champ deserved a chance to defend his title.

the count reached 10... time it

[Hitman Hodgson]

By listing the fighters above as "prime" you are making yourself look even worse.

Ruddock went into the Lewis fight after giving Tyson a tough couple fights, and was a top rated contender at the time, and Lewis brutally KOd him in 2 rounds. Golota was coming off the Bowe fights, and at his peak. Akinwande was the WBO champ and undefeated. Mavrovich was undefeated and the current Europian champ. Briggs had only 1 loss on his record and had just beaten Foreman when he fought Lewis, Tua was on a run of 10 straight wins, and was the IBF IC champ. Grant was undefeated and had just KOd Golota. Bruno's only loses came against Tim Witherspoon, James Smith and Tyson when they fought.

[CarlosG815]

Ruddock went into the Lewis fight after giving Tyson a tough couple fights, and was a top rated contender at the time, and Lewis brutally KOd him in 2 rounds. Golota was coming off the Bowe fights, and at his peak. Akinwande was the WBO champ and undefeated. Mavrovich was undefeated and the current Europian champ. Briggs had only 1 loss on his record and had just beaten Foreman when he fought Lewis, Tua was on a run of 10 straight wins, and was the IBF IC champ. Grant was undefeated and had just KOd Golota. Bruno's only loses came against Tim Witherspoon, James Smith and Tyson when they fought.

If you are simply going to look at boxrec and then come back and tell me things I already know then don't bother because I don't want to hear it.

[Joeyzagz]

I see no Dempsey proponent can explain his cakewalk career.

Imagine if...

1. Lennox was allowed 3 year vacations where he got to keep the belt

2. No title defenses against top coloured fighters

3. Retires in early 30's

Lennox would probably have a record of 40-0 with no losses or knockdowns.