Who are the best Heavyweights all time over 230 pounds?

[Poet682006]

One of the things our Boxing Scene "size whores" never seem to get is that past a certain point size becomes a liability rather than an advantage. The cost in speed and quick reflexes simply becomes too great as the pounds pack on, while at the same time the advantages reach a point of diminishing returns.

Poet

[Wild Blue Yonda]

One of the things our Boxing Scene "size whores" never seem to get is that past a certain point size becomes a liability rather than an advantage. The cost in speed and quick reflexes simply becomes too great as the pounds pack on, while at the same time the advantages reach a point of diminishing returns.

Poet

Amazing they can be oblivious to this, yet rank lower-weight fighters as the sport's pound-for-pound best (along with the rest of us, generally). It's as if this basic law of human physics suddenly ceases to exist in their minds the minute someone enters the Heavyweight division, LOL.

[Poet682006]

Amazing they can be oblivious to this, yet rank lower-weight fighters as the sport's pound-for-pound best (along with the rest of us, generally). It's as if this basic law of human physics suddenly ceases to exist in their minds the minute someone enters the Heavyweight division, LOL.

Yeah, well I get the feeling that the vast majority of them are products of the public school system: That is to say they don't know **** all about anything. More to the point, they really aren't trained to think with their intellect (such as it is), but instead have had their feelings about things emphasized to the point where they're only able to think with their emotions. Hence, whatever they find emotionally appealing automatically becomes factual truth in the fantasy world that makes up their personal reality :nuts9:

Poet

[Scott9945]

the same rid**** bowe who was stopped in the olympic final by lennox and threw his wbc belt in a rubbish bin rather than face lennox?????????

The same Rid**** Bowe who had one big win in his entire career. He was really just a better version of Buster Douglas, another one hit wonder. Bowe's entire career peaked for the first Holyfield fight. I'll take Lewis and both Klitschkos over him everyday of the week.

[Poet682006]

another one hit wonder.

Be fair now, Bowe hit that wonderful all-you-can-eat buffet more than ONCE :nono9:

Poet

[Wild Blue Yonda]

I cannot understand peoples' persistence in bringing up the Olympic fight whenever Bowe vs. Lewis gets discussed --- nowhere else is this an issue. If someone talks about Tszyu moving up around 2002 to fight Forrest, how much stock are we putting in their amateur bouts? Does anyone discuss Pryor beating Hearns in the Ams if we mention what would happen had Pryor moved up to Welter & fought Hearns in the pros?

Why is Bowe-Lewis in the Ams significant? Answer? It isn't --- it's just a tool with which people can lambast Bowe. It has no logical bearing on how a professional fight, years later, would've turned out between the two.

[Poet682006]

Does anyone discuss Pryor beating Hearns in the Ams if we mention what would happen had Pryor moved up to Welter & fought Hearns in the pros?

Actually I HAVE seen Pryor's nuthawkers use that fight as proof Pryor would clean up on the Fab Four all in one night.

Poet

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Okay...there will always be the lunatic fringe. Point I'm making, though, is that the general (& generally-sane) people disregard Amatuer bouts when discussing fights between Pros which happen years later into the development of fighters --- & with good reason.

Bowe & Lewis is no different. If anything, although Bowe peaked much earlier as a Pro, it was Lewis who had the big, big advantage in experience & learning-curve when they actually met.

[Kid McCoy]

I cannot understand peoples' persistence in bringing up the Olympic fight whenever Bowe vs. Lewis gets discussed --- nowhere else is this an issue. If someone talks about Tszyu moving up around 2002 to fight Forrest, how much stock are we putting in their amateur bouts? Does anyone discuss Pryor beating Hearns in the Ams if we mention what would happen had Pryor moved up to Welter & fought Hearns in the pros?

Why is Bowe-Lewis in the Ams significant? Answer? It isn't --- it's just a tool with which people can lambast Bowe. It has no logical bearing on how a professional fight, years later, would've turned out between the two.

Jorge Luis Gonzalez beat Bowe as an amateur but Bowe won when they met in the pros. Buster Mathis beat Frazier as an amateur but Frazier won in the pros. Henry Tillman beat Tyson as an amateur but Tyson won in the pros. What happened in amateur fights doesn't usually have much bearing on pro fights.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

The same Rid**** Bowe who had one big win in his entire career. He was really just a better version of Buster Douglas, another one hit wonder. Bowe's entire career peaked for the first Holyfield fight. I'll take Lewis and both Klitschkos over him everyday of the week.

The Klitschkos don't even have a one-hit to be called wonders. Bowe's victory over a prime Holyfield, for what it's worth, is better than any single win achieved by either of the Klitschkos or Lewis.