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  • SCtrojansbaby
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    #41
    Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda
    Looking at this from another angle for a moment, lets take the discussion away from Jones. If we're evaluating whether he belongs in the top-10 all-time, it has to be said -- & this is beyond opinion, it has to be viewed as fact --- if we place any value in resume, there is absolutely no conceivable way Jones can make the cut. Call him the greatest fighter head-to-head ever if it so pleases you, but his CV is so overwhelmingly far behind dozens of all-time legends, he has to fall from grace.

    Again, don't see that statement above as a mark on Jones' career, see it for how overwhelmingly fantastic the likes of Ezzard Charles, Roberto Duran, Archie Moore, Emile Griffith, & a whole host of others' careers were. They & many like them could certainly be argued to beat Jones head-to-head (speaking at my most conservative, in fact), & so factoring in their CV's being streets upon streets ahead of Jones', how could anyone realistically elevate him to the top-10 boxers ever, regardless of weight?

    The longest reign as #1 Pound for Pound in boxing history 1994-2004

    During his reign he did NOT HAVE ONE CLOSE FIGHT. EVERY SINGLE FIGHT WAS 100% DOMINATION

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    • Wild Blue Yonda
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      #42
      Where is he in your all-time list, Trojan?

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        #43
        Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda
        Where is he in your all-time list, Trojan?
        based on who are actually the best fighters not resume

        1.Roy Jones
        2.JCC
        3.Ali
        4.Hopkins
        5.Duran and Leonard are a tie
        7.Foreman
        8.Eder Jofre
        9.Mayweather
        10.Vincente Saldivar

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          #44
          Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
          based on who are actually the best fighters not resume

          1.Roy Jones
          2.JCC
          3.Ali
          4.Hopkins
          5.Duran and Leonard are a tie
          7.Foreman
          8.Eder Jofre
          9.Mayweather
          10.Vincente Saldivar

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            #45
            Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
            based on who are actually the best fighters not resume

            1.Roy Jones
            2.JCC
            3.Ali
            4.Hopkins
            5.Duran and Leonard are a tie
            7.Foreman
            8.Eder Jofre
            9.Mayweather
            10.Vincente Saldivar
            How anybody could possibly think Julio Cesar Crybaby is the second best fighter of all-time is beyond comprehension. Vincente Saldivar even making the list is demented.

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              #46
              Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby
              The longest reign as #1 Pound for Pound in boxing history 1994-2004

              During his reign he did NOT HAVE ONE CLOSE FIGHT. EVERY SINGLE FIGHT WAS 100% DOMINATION
              My god do you even bother to do a quick fact check? And you realize the first Tarver fight is "during his reign" right? He barely won.

              1994 - Whitaker
              1995 - Whitaker
              1996 - Jones
              1997 - ???
              1998 - De La Hoya
              1999 - Jones
              2000 - Mosley
              2001 - Mosley
              2002 - Hopkins
              2003 - Jones
              2004 - Hopkins

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                #47
                Originally posted by Obama
                My god do you even bother to do a quick fact check? And you realize the first Tarver fight is "during his reign" right? He barely won.

                1994 - Whitaker
                1995 - Whitaker
                1996 - Jones
                1997 - ???
                1998 - De La Hoya
                1999 - Jones
                2000 - Mosley
                2001 - Mosley
                2002 - Hopkins
                2003 - Jones
                2004 - Hopkins

                Jones was p4p #1 after the Toney bout.

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                  #48
                  Every fighter in history has been accused of ducking someone, but I never heard anyone say Ali ducked anyone. Jones at his best is an ATG. I dont know about top ten or top fifty ecause he wouldve really had a tough time fighting back in the 1930-1950s. All those guys are under-rated IMO. Pac has clearly ducked the 140lbers especially undefeated guys who he can easily make the weight to fight instead of weight draining bigger guys and making a lop sided fight. Pernell Whitaker not a guy who has been acused of ducking anyone also. Present day warriors have the option of picking there opponents and belts really dont mean much to the likes of a P4P champion who is selling out venues and PPV numbers are above 1 mil an event.

                  Boxing commisions are corrupt and try toi get you to pay an absorbent amount of money to defend a belt that aint worth jak and they very rarely make the champ defend against his mandatory. So who really needs a belt and if the challenger isnt a PPV attraction in todays world of boxing. Floyd has become Oscar and like Oscar only fights once a year now or whenever he feels the need to bless us with his greatness.

                  So jones is good and maybe even great but by no means is a he a top ten ATG.

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                  ALI
                  FOREMAN
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                  HAGLER
                  HOPKINS
                  MONZON
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