Higher On A ATG List, Felix Trinidad or Sonny Liston?

[jrosales13]

Then again, Oscar beat Trinidad regardless of what the judges say.

Poet

It was not a robbery,

It was not a Whitaker-Chavez situation.

I thought it was close enough that could have gone either way. Oscar gave up the last 4 rounds. And, he didn't clearly win every single round for the first 8 rounds. YOu can make a case he won all of those but he didn't win all of them clearly. There were a couple rounds that were swing rounds.

HBO, Oscar biggest cheerleader, scored that fight a draw. Is not really a robbery at all.

[StarshipTrooper]

It was not a robbery,

It was not a Whitaker-Chavez situation.

I thought it was close enough that could have gone either way. Oscar gave up the last 4 rounds. And, he didn't clearly win every single round for the first 8 rounds. YOu can make a case he won all of those but he didn't win all of them clearly. There were a couple rounds that were swing rounds.

HBO, Oscar biggest cheerleader, scored that fight a draw. Is not really a robbery at all.

I had it scored 8-4 in rounds for Oscar so in my eyes it was a clear robbery. As for HBO's scoring, Lederman scorecards always favor the puncher so unless the round is a blowout he would looking for ways to give Trinidad rounds.

Poet

[joseph5620]

Then again, Oscar beat Trinidad regardless of what the judges say.

Poet

Oscar didn't deserve the decision fighting the way he did. I also think there is a huge myth that Oscar won the first six rounds. He didn't. At best it was 4-2 Oscar after six and he literally ran and gave away the last 4. I had no problem with the decision or if had been draw.

[StarshipTrooper]

Oscar didn't deserve the decision fighting the way he did. I also think there is a huge myth that Oscar won the first six rounds. He didn't. At best it was 4-2 Oscar after six and he literally ran and gave away the last 4. I had no problem with the decision or if had been draw.

Fights are scored in their entirety not just on what happend the last four rounds. Trinidad didn't deserve the decision fighting the way he did for the first eight.

Poet

[joseph5620]

Fights are scored in their entirety not just on what happend the last four rounds. Trinidad didn't deserve the decision fighting the way he did for the first eight.

Poet

That's true if you assume Oscar won the first 8 rounds. I don't believe he did.

[-Super-]

Oscar didn't deserve the decision fighting the way he did. I also think there is a huge myth that Oscar won the first six rounds. He didn't. At best it was 4-2 Oscar after six and he literally ran and gave away the last 4. I had no problem with the decision or if had been draw.

But it's ****** to say he didn't win because he didn't deserve to. The only way he didn't deserve to win would be if he actually lost the fight, but he didn't. I think you're just mad at the way in which he fought and you wish he could've really lost.

I just don't know how people can score it for Trinidad, or even draw. I understand that some may score fights differently than others, but this fight was the definition of a robbery. Oscar may have given the last few rounds away, but he did enough from the start to 3/4 way through to win the fight.

[jrosales13]

I had it scored 8-4 in rounds for Oscar so in my eyes it was a clear robbery. As for HBO's scoring, Lederman scorecards always favor the puncher so unless the round is a blowout he would looking for ways to give Trinidad rounds.

Poet

No, Ledderman always scores in the benefit of Oscar.

[jrosales13]

That's true if you assume Oscar won the first 8 rounds. I don't believe he did.

I agree

[-Super-]

No, Ledderman always scores in the benefit of Oscar.

What are you talking about? He scored nearly all of Oscar's close fights against him.

Oscar vs Quartey - 114-113 for Quartey
Oscar vs Mosley I - 116-112 for Mosley
Oscar vs Mayweather - 116-112 for Mayweather

I don't remember his exact score for the Whitaker fight, but he might have scored it a draw or for De La Hoya by a point, and there's no shame in that.

[joseph5620]

But it's ****** to say he didn't win because he didn't deserve to. The only way he didn't deserve to win would be if he actually lost the fight, but he didn't. I think you're just mad at the way in which he fought and you wish he could've really lost.

I just don't know how people can score it for Trinidad, or even draw. I understand that some may score fights differently than others, but this fight was the definition of a robbery. Oscar may have given the last few rounds away, but he did enough from the start to 3/4 way through to win the fight.

You need to reread my post and do the math before you try to play the amateur psychologist role and assume what I'm thinking. I said after 6 it was no more than 4-2 Oscar and he gave away the last four rounds by running. If you're capable of counting it's pretty easy to see the how I scored the fight.