Did Ray Robinson and his Managment avoid all these fighters?

[sonnyboyx2]

I will like to pint out one thing Kid, in many cases that eleventh hour (almost impossible ) demand of Ray against Burley fight would be attributed as skillful side stepping in some other fighters case. I will like to say that Burley- Robinson is a murky area for sure. Conn, ohh that was never quite a possibility back then.

i don't think Robinson had anything to be afraid of in Burley reason being is that Burley never threw combination's, he only threw one punch at a time which is why Ezzard Charles was able to lick him, Robinson was far better than Ezzard Charles in every department.

[StarshipTrooper]

i don't think Robinson had anything to be afraid of in Burley reason being is that Burley never threw combination's, he only threw one punch at a time which is why Ezzard Charles was able to lick him, Robinson was far better than Ezzard Charles in every department.

I don't know about FAR better......better yes, but Charles is the concesus GOAT at Light-Heavy and about as skilled a fighter as you're likely to see so I can't see Robinson being light years ahead of Charles. Charles was also a Light-Heavy which I think had more to do with his beating Burley than any other factor.

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[Greatest1942]

i don't think Robinson had anything to be afraid of in Burley reason being is that Burley never threw combination's, he only threw one punch at a time which is why Ezzard Charles was able to lick him, Robinson was far better than Ezzard Charles in every department.

You know Robinson being "FAR" better than Ezzard Charles is a stretch..And yes considering the risk-gain factor Burley was a risk. Sugar himself stated "I am too pretty to fight Burley", and yes it wasn't a very blatant one...Sugar can be forgiven for it and he is...but Burley was a danger...he beat Archie Moore handily and beat Holman Williams too.

Ezzard beating him doesnot prove Robinson beats him as you are going under triangle theory and that too a complete guess. And oh..Charles had some pounds over Burley...which Sugar will never have...As for how good was Burley ask Archie Moore

[sonnyboyx2]

You know Robinson being "FAR" better than Ezzard Charles is a stretch..And yes considering the risk-gain factor Burley was a risk. Sugar himself stated "I am too pretty to fight Burley", and yes it wasn't a very blatant one...Sugar can be forgiven for it and he is...but Burley was a danger...he beat Archie Moore handily and beat Holman Williams too.

Ezzard beating him doesnot prove Robinson beats him as you are going under triangle theory and that too a complete guess.

no triangle theory... i am going by what Ezzard Charles said about Burley in that he only ever threw one punch at a time and never wasted any punches always making that one punch count. Robinson had excellent footwork, fast hands and every punch in the book.

[Greatest1942]

no triangle theory... i am going by what Ezzard Charles said about Burley in that he only ever threw one punch at a time and never wasted any punches always making that one punch count. Robinson had excellent footwork, fast hands and every punch in the book.

Ezzard said a good thing you know, that Burley never wasted a moment. What you are doing is guessing plain and simple. Ezzard praised Burley . Moore said he could make him box out of his system and one of the few who could do it. eddie Futch said Charles Burley was one of the best ever. All these are idiots right? While you basing your comments on what could have been ,w hat one could do is the right one right?

Look Burley was good, good enough for Sugar Ray to think that he was too risky to fight on a low reward basis okay? As for speed, punch etc, Burley had excellent upper body movement and had a great defense. Yes Sugar could beat him, but talk some sense instead of blindly saying as Ezzard couldso could Ray, I have every doubt if Ray could beat Moore , but charles beat him thrice. Charles was a all time great p4p and just not any other guy.And in a 3 fight series I can see Burley winning atleast once. Though I won't argue with you.

[sonnyboyx2]

Ezzard said a good thing you know, that Burley never wasted a moment. What you are doing is guessing plain and simple. Ezzard praised Burley . Moore said he could make him box out of his system and one of the few who could do it. eddie Futch said Charles Burley was one of the best ever. All these are idiots right? While you basing your comments on what could have been ,w hat one could do is the right one right?

Look Burley was good, good enough for Sugar Ray to think that he was too risky to fight on a low reward basis okay? As for speed, punch etc, Burley had excellent upper body movement and had a great defense. Yes Sugar could beat him, but talk some sense instead of blindly saying as Ezzard couldso could Ray, I have every doubt if Ray could beat Moore , but charles beat him thrice. Charles was a all time great p4p and just not any other guy.And in a 3 fight series I can see Burley winning atleast once. Though I won't argue with you.

once again you talk a lot of mixed up rubbish... a couple of questions i would like to ask you.

1/. in which year did Burley's career run parallel to Robinsons

2/. which year did Robinson turn down a fight with Burley.

[paulsinghnl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4

nice vid on analyzing Charley Burley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2BEE8Ce70

nice vid on Ezzard Charles from the same guy

[Kid McCoy]

I will like to point out one thing Kid, in many cases that eleventh hour (almost impossible ) demand of Ray against Burley fight would be attributed as skillful side stepping in some other fighters case. I will like to say that Burley- Robinson is a murky area for sure. Conn, ohh that was never quite a possibility back then.

Which is a fair point. However Robinson's resume is not that of someone avoiding tough fights, even when well past prime. For that I can forgive him missing one fight. His reputation for being a pain in the ass to negotiate with is what also makes me think it was a money rather than a ducking issue. If they'd paid him what he wanted he probably would have fought Burley, just as the Moore fight would probably have happened if Archie had agreed to the 75:25 split Robinson was offering. Robinson pulled the same stunt just before the 4th Fullmer fight, and when they scrabbled together the extra money he wanted the bout went ahead.

[Greatest1942]

once again you talk a lot of mixed up rubbish... a couple of questions i would like to ask you.

1/. in which year did Burley's career run parallel to Robinsons

2/. which year did Robinson turn down a fight with Burley.

The very the contract was signed, and Robinson demanded more money, you have to read upfor that which you can't.

[vic_roc_13]

SRR wasn't the only one ducking those guys . LaMotta , Zivic Cerdan etc...