Did Ray Robinson and his Managment avoid all these fighters?

[JAB5239]

SRR wasn't the only one ducking those guys . LaMotta , Zivic Cerdan etc...

Both LaMotta and Zivic fought a who's who of their era and many of the top colored fighters who others ducked. Cerdan, maybe. The other two would fight anyone.

[Greatest1942]

Both LaMotta and Zivic fought a who's who of their era and many of the top colored fighters who others ducked. Cerdan, maybe. The other two would fight anyone.

Lamotta did fight Holman Williams, who was genrally avoided too.

[JAB5239]

Lamotta did fight Holman Williams, who was genrally avoided too.

Beside Williams he also fought Eugene Hairston, Satterfield, Lytell, Marshall and California Jacki Wilson. He was definitely not a guy who avoided fighters because of the color of their skin.

[Greatest1942]

Beside Williams he also fought Eugene Hairston, Satterfield, Lytell, Marshall and California Jacki Wilson. He was definitely not a guy who avoided fighters because of the color of their skin.

True...he fought almost everyone, except Burley.He was a real fighting man.

[sonnyboyx2]

True...he fought almost everyone, except Burley.He was a real fighting man.

once again you start to go down the route of making up falsehoods... you have read the book "Charley Burley & the black murders row" and take it that it is Fact & Carved in Stone as every word being truthful. i have read that book and found it to be mostly fiction and wishful thinking. since that book came out Charley Burley has gained mythical status which simply is not true, he was a good fighter and a contender but he was not thought of as being good enough to beat the champion, Burley never managed to get himself into the No1 contender position so as to secure a title fight and it was not down to other contenders avoiding him... Ray Robinson waited 5yrs for a title fight with Marty Servo.

Robinson was never afraid to fight any fighter and certainly not Charley Burley.. Burley was a very good fighter who was thought of as being able to "Last the distance" with Robinson give him a decent fight, but certainly not be able to defeat Robinson.

next you will be claiming Marcel Cerdan, Tony Zale & Jake LaMotta also avoided Burley, which cannot be further from the truth.

[Greatest1942]

once again you start to go down the route of making up falsehoods... you have read the book "Charley Burley & the black murders row" and take it that it is Fact & Carved in Stone as every word being truthful. i have read that book and found it to be mostly fiction and wishful thinking. since that book came out Charley Burley has gained mythical status which simply is not true, he was a good fighter and a contender but he was not thought of as being good enough to beat the champion, Burley never managed to get himself into the No1 contender position so as to secure a title fight and it was not down to other contenders avoiding him... Ray Robinson waited 5yrs for a title fight with Marty Servo.

Robinson was never afraid to fight any fighter and certainly not Charley Burley.. Burley was a very good fighter who was thought of as being able to "Last the distance" with Robinson give him a decent fight, but certainly not be able to defeat Robinson.

next you will be claiming Marcel Cerdan, Tony Zale & Jake LaMotta also avoided Burley, which cannot be further from the truth.

Who says Sugar was afraid of Burley? I favour him in that fight. You know deep**** if you criticize that book. The author is a great contributor to the boxing community, please don't make false accusations. Since that does not suit yoru agenda no way you can insult him and the book.

Lamotta did not duck Burley, the fight did not take place thats all I wanted to say.

And as for Sugar vs Burley --> read this slowly and carefully...sugar said he was too pretty to fight Burley, the fight was scheduled, Sugar made a claim in the eleventh hour the fight did not occur, thats all.

Now moan as much as you like these are the facts. Sugar made these types of claims after also as kid pointed out, and while he was in no way a ducker, he was very diffilcut to deal with.

Burley was avoided, no way what you post on the internet...is going to change years of research of other guys. Post sensibly for a change.

[sonnyboyx2]

Who says Sugar was afraid of Burley? I favour him in that fight. You know deep**** if you criticize that book. The author is a great contributor to the boxing community, please don't make false accusations. Since that does not suit yoru agenda no way you can insult him and the book.

Lamotta did not duck Burley, the fight did not take place thats all I wanted to say.

And as for Sugar vs Burley --> read this slowly and carefully...sugar said he was too pretty to fight Burley, the fight was scheduled, Sugar made a claim in the eleventh hour the fight did not occur, thats all.

Now moan as much as you like these are the facts. Sugar made these types of claims after also as kid pointed out, and while he was in no way a ducker, he was very diffilcut to deal with.

Burley was avoided, no way what you post on the internet...is going to change years of research of other guys. Post sensibly for a change.

i always post sensibly... Let me give you a little piece of advice my friend as i am sure i am a fare bit older than what you are.... Forget about buying and reading books about boxers from yesteryear when that book has been written by someone who was not even a twinkle in their daddy's eye when the fighters the author is writing about was plying their trade... buy books written at the time or just after the fighters was active, that way you will always be reading the truth and not some made-up garbage.

i aint moaning about nothing like you seem to think i am, what i am saying is that Burley was thought of as nothing more than a fighter who could "last the distance" with Robinson, "Give him a decent fight" but not someone who had a chance of beating Robinson.

It is to me "laughable" when i read on this forum how some hold Burley in such high regard that they have elevated him to a status even higher than Sugar Ray Robinson (does not get higher than that) and it is all down to this book which has been written 10yrs ago by a family member of Burley's... Get real and do your own research.

[Greatest1942]

i always post sensibly... Let me give you a little piece of advice my friend as i am sure i am a fare bit older than what you are.... Forget about buying and reading books about boxers from yesteryear when that book has been written by someone who was not even a twinkle in their daddy's eye when the fighters the author is writing about was plying their trade... buy books written at the time or just after the fighters was active, that way you will always be reading the truth and not some made-up garbage.

i aint moaning about nothing like you seem to think i am, what i am saying is that Burley was thought of as nothing more than a fighter who could "last the distance" with Robinson, "Give him a decent fight" but not someone who had a chance of beating Robinson.

It is to me "laughable" when i read on this forum how some hold Burley in such high regard that they have elevated him to a status even higher than Sugar Ray Robinson (does not get higher than that) and it is all down to this book which has been written 10yrs ago by a family member of Burley's... Get real and do your own research.

To tell you the truth Sonny keep your advice for Trolls like you...I have read every kind of book that is there to read. I have read more books contemporary and historical, articles, newspaper than you have brain cells in your head. It comes forth what you know, okay...that is zero

You are joking if you say every book has to be of the same period. Then we can't read about authors writing about Julis Ceaser can we?

Burley was held in much respect back then...just becasue you can't read that doesn't make that false. Your ignorance is only second to your arrogance, the more you post the more people will know you know nothing.

Anyways my comment was not for you...So please go on in your way. Was FrankeFrank worse than you really?

[sonnyboyx2]

To tell you the truth Sonny keep your aadvice for Trolls liek you...I have read every kind of book that is there to read.

You are joking if you say every book has to be of the same period. Then we can't read about authors writing about Julis Ceaser can we?

Burley was held in much respect back then...just becasue you can't read that doesn't make that false. Your ignorance is only second to your arrogance, the more you post the more people will know you know nothing

Here is an article from Boxing Scene written a few years back by the boxing historian Mike Casey, it has lots of quotes from other great boxing historians... make sure you read the chapter on Charley Burley as well as the Lennox Lewis using steroids which many will refuse to accept..

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=5605

Greatest1942 your gripe is with me personally, i annoy you yet i am cool with that because i understand what it is all about... it is because i am everything you have ever wanted to be.

[Spartacus Sully]

To tell you the truth Sonny keep your advice for Trolls like you...I have read every kind of book that is there to read. I have read more books contemporary and historical, articles, newspaper than you have brain cells in your head. It comes forth what you know, okay...that is zero

You are joking if you say every book has to be of the same period. Then we can't read about authors writing about Julis Ceaser can we?

Burley was held in much respect back then...just becasue you can't read that doesn't make that false. Your ignorance is only second to your arrogance, the more you post the more people will know you know nothing.

Anyways my comment was not for you...So please go on in your way. Was FrankeFrank worse than you really?

first off theres like 100 billion nureons and like 1 trillion supporting cells

i dont think theres that many books in the world

secondly cesar himself wrote a plethora of works detailing much of his life and battles as well as the multiple historians who wrote of him during the time. so a biography on cesar will be citing books from cesars time period to enforce the facts.

does burleys book have any such citations to books written at the time maybe something like burleys journal?