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  • #31
    Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
    first off theres like 100 billion nureons and like 1 trillion supporting cells

    i dont think theres that many books in the world

    secondly cesar himself wrote a plethora of works detailing much of his life and battles as well as the multiple historians who wrote of him during the time. so a biography on cesar will be citing books from cesars time period to enforce the facts.

    does burleys book have any such citations to books written at the time maybe something like burleys journal?

    Hey mate those were comments for Sonny.

    Well you know Ceaser was an example lets come to Alexander and Ashoka, and you won't get many autobiographies ,journals etc etc , all you will get will research and some contemporary accounts, which Burley's book refers to heavily anyway, the author did not make up the fact, though if he copied it from his journal I think that would have been actually a bit biased isn't it? Anyways goodpints...I endorse it. However most good historian books do better than just going by the journals of the greats they write about if enough sources are available. Will you go by Sugar Ray's autobiography while judging him ? You won't know half of what there is to know...I read his autobiography and his biography. There is a hel of difference mate

    Burley doesn't have a book that I read...Sonny is referring to the Black Murderers row (which I did read) and you can be sure that book is a good one...Claiming that book to be fictional is a travesty..it has been endorsed by the best historians and I will take their words against Sonny's.

    Question have you read the book and do you think liek Sonny anways?
    Last edited by Greatest1942; 11-02-2010, 05:18 AM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
      Here is an article from Boxing Scene written a few years back by the boxing historian Mike Casey, it has lots of quotes from other great boxing historians... make sure you read the chapter on Charley Burley as well as the Lennox Lewis using steroids which many will refuse to accept..

      http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=5605

      Greatest1942 your gripe is with me personally, i annoy you yet i am cool with that because i understand what it is all about... it is because i am everything you have ever wanted to be.
      And old grupmy old man who doesn't know what he says, knows nothing about what he talks...Sorry I never want to be that ...Your IQ is one of the lowest I saw. Sorry don't leave in dreamland about it.
      Mike Casey wrote that article fine...He said though that Burley desreved a title shot...may be your 0 IQ did not let you see it..I read it a long time ago in CBZ Sonny...And what he said about Burley getting beat by Ezzard I told you already...I also said I consider Sugar Ray a favourite vs Burley. And besides having trouble with Holman Williams, Casey was wrong here Holman might be less celebrated he was as good as it gets. Eddie Futch endorsed that.

      I will take Eddie Futch's word about their greatness than that pig head of yours.

      Once again you prove you know nothing and read nothing and can't comprehend what you write, or what is written in articles...Grow up Sonny.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post
        Hey mate those were comments for Sonny.

        Well you know Ceaser was an example lets come to Alexander and Ashoka, and you won't get many autobiographies ,journals etc etc , all you will get will research and some contemporary accounts, which Burley's book refers to heavily anyway, the author did not make up the fact, though if he copied it from his journal I think that would have been actually a bit biased isn't it? Anyways goodpints...I endorse it.

        Burley doesn't have a book that I read...Sonny is referring to the Black Murderers row and you can be sure that book is a good one...Claiming that book to be fictional is a travesty..it has been endorsed by the best historians and I will take their words against Sonny's.

        Question have you read the book and do you think liek Sonny anways?
        i think of most earlie boxers as being modest men.

        slightly bias perhaps but not prone to exxageration or misinterpretation as most second hand stories from first hand accounts are.

        Do i think like sonny? I take everything with a grain of salt. everything.

        the praises people say about a boxer mean nothing to me, only how they performed and their record. as a praise is an opinion and opinions are nothing more then opinions.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
          i think of most earlie boxers as being modest men.

          slightly bias perhaps but not prone to exxageration or misinterpretation as most second hand stories from first hand accounts are.

          Do i think like sonny? I take everything with a grain of salt. everything.

          the praises people say about a boxer mean nothing to me, only how they performed and their record. as a praise is an opinion and opinions are nothing more then opinions.
          How do you like this for a record 100 months in the top 10 either in Welter or Middle ? Something not deserving of a championship shot is it?

          I have nothing against your attitude. But pray read the book if you havent and say..all the facts and statements are backed up...by contemporary documents, articles etc...The salt taking part is good, don't just start taking so much that you doubt good books which are excellent research materials.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post
            How do you like this for a record 100 months in the top 10 either in Welter or Middle ? Something not deserving of a championship shot is it?

            I have nothing against your attitude. But pray read the book if you havent and say..all the facts and statements are backed up...by contemporary documents, articles etc...The salt taking part is good, don't just start taking so much that you doubt good books which are excellent research materials.
            For the record Burley's record was 83-12-2 with 1 no contest and 50 knockouts. He had wins over Zivic , Moore and Mosse all World Champions. Never stopped and was in the top 10 for almost a decade. Yet people come up and say his legacy gets blown up. God.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
              i think of most earlie boxers as being modest men.

              slightly bias perhaps but not prone to exxageration or misinterpretation as most second hand stories from first hand accounts are.

              Do i think like sonny? I take everything with a grain of salt. everything.

              the praises people say about a boxer mean nothing to me, only how they performed and their record. as a praise is an opinion and opinions are nothing more then opinions.
              just like myself... the praises people say about a boxer mean nothing to me, only how they performed and their record. as a praise is an opinion and opinions are nothing more then opinions.[/QUOTE]

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post
                And old grupmy old man who doesn't know what he says, knows nothing about what he talks...Sorry I never want to be that ...Your IQ is one of the lowest I saw. Sorry don't leave in dreamland about it.
                Mike Casey wrote that article fine...He said though that Burley desreved a title shot...may be your 0 IQ did not let you see it..I read it a long time ago in CBZ Sonny...And what he said about Burley getting beat by Ezzard I told you already...I also said I consider Sugar Ray a favourite vs Burley. And besides having trouble with Holman Williams, Casey was wrong here Holman might be less celebrated he was as good as it gets. Eddie Futch endorsed that.

                I will take Eddie Futch's word about their greatness than that pig head of yours.

                Once again you prove you know nothing and read nothing and can't comprehend what you write, or what is written in articles...Grow up Sonny.
                So Mike Casey is wrong you say....Mike Casey is a freelance journalist, author, former editor, and boxing historian who has contributed to numerous trade and consumer titles in his 30-year career. He is a former contributor to the oldest boxing weekly, "Boxing News," and has also contributed to many other boxing publications and websites.

                A former editor with the Daily Mail Business Group in the UK, Mike is a member of the International Boxing Research Organization (IBRO) and an auxiliary member of the Boxing Writers Association of America. He owns an extensive collection of boxing magazines, photographs, memorabilia, and films and comes from a boxing family. He was born in Woolwich, South-East London, and lives at Romney Marsh in Kent..... Casey is wrong as are all the other historians and you Greatest1942 are correct ha

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post
                  For the record Burley's record was 83-12-2 with 1 no contest and 50 knockouts. He had wins over Zivic , Moore and Mosse all World Champions. Never stopped and was in the top 10 for almost a decade. Yet people come up and say his legacy gets blown up. God.
                  you never answered my 2 questions to you, instead you evaded the issue once again.

                  1/. in which year did Burley's career run parallel to Robinsons

                  2/. which year did Robinson turn down a fight with Burley.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Greatest1942 View Post
                    And old grupmy old man who doesn't know what he says, knows nothing about what he talks...Sorry I never want to be that ...Your IQ is one of the lowest I saw. Sorry don't leave in dreamland about it.
                    Mike Casey wrote that article fine...He said though that Burley desreved a title shot...may be your 0 IQ did not let you see it..I read it a long time ago in CBZ Sonny...And what he said about Burley getting beat by Ezzard I told you already...I also said I consider Sugar Ray a favourite vs Burley. And besides having trouble with Holman Williams, Casey was wrong here Holman might be less celebrated he was as good as it gets. Eddie Futch endorsed that.

                    I will take Eddie Futch's word about their greatness than that pig head of yours.

                    Once again you prove you know nothing and read nothing and can't comprehend what you write, or what is written in articles...Grow up Sonny.
                    who is the grumpy old man with the lowest IQ you ever saw?.. me or mike casey?

                    The difference between me and you is that you have read a couple of boxing books and claim to know everything there is to know about the sport... i have one of the largest and best fight-film collections on planet earth (over 20,000+ fights) as well as over 12,000+ magazines and books on the sport of boxing and have followed the sport for over 40yrs.... i know nothing because of my lowest IQ and you know everything is what you are trying to tell me.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
                      who is the grumpy old man with the lowest IQ you ever saw?.. me or mike casey?

                      The difference between me and you is that you have read a couple of boxing books and claim to know everything there is to know about the sport... i have one of the largest and best fight-film collections on planet earth (over 20,000+ fights) as well as over 12,000+ magazines and books on the sport of boxing and have followed the sport for over 40yrs.... i know nothing because of my lowest IQ and you know everything is what you are trying to tell me.
                      I respect Mike Casey...I will let your low IQ figure out the rest. What you doesn't matter...lots of miser have lots of gold...doesn't do them any good. Besides you haven't read what you should read.

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