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  • How Many Gift Decisions Was Muhammad Ali Given in his Career?

    Poll coming. How many fights was he given the win when you scored it a draw or for the opponent.
    26
    -2: Ali Really Beat Frazier and Norton First Time Around
    3.85%
    1
    -1: Ali Beat Frazier all 3 times
    0%
    0
    0: Every score was perfect
    38.46%
    10
    1: Ali Was Given One Gift
    15.38%
    4
    2: There were two bad decision
    19.23%
    5
    3 or More: Ali was given tons of gifts in his career.
    23.08%
    6

  • #2
    2.

    Young and the 3rd fight with Norton, Young won the fight clearly and the Norton fight was close but I feel it was a win for him and so do many others.

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    • #3
      No gift decsisions really, but some close fights and a win is a win.

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      • #4
        No gift decisions

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        • #5
          A "gift" decision is a blatantly obvious loss, awarded to the fighter who you believe lost.

          Ali was never given a "gift" decision.

          Ali vs Norton III and Ali vs Young were his closest fights imo.

          None of them were gift decisions.


          A "gift" decision would be something like Ottke vs Reid etc

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NChristo View Post
            2.

            Young and the 3rd fight with Norton, Young won the fight clearly and the Norton fight was close but I feel it was a win for him and so do many others.
            I will go along with this. I scored Ali norton 3 and in my card Norton won, quite clearly. Young was not a great decision either.

            Plus I will like to state that Clay vs Doug Jones is another murky fight.

            In my card Ali-Shavers should have atleast a draw. Never the less this was no "gift" decision, might be a bit unfair to Shavers.

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            • #7
              Im not a big fan of ALi, but maybe I should change the word gift. My idea of a gift decision is simply when a guy is given a decision I disagree with. I mean some judges are just bad. One just in the Foreman vs. Ali fight had Foreman winning 0 rounds against Ali...im sorry, I wasnt watching the same fight. ( I had it 3-3-1 going into the 8th). The same ref who had Reid beating calzaghe (116-111) also had Dimitrenko drawing Chambers. SO I think there are bad refs out there.

              From what I saw he had 3 gifts. Young, and Norton 2 and 3. I thought Shavers was a draw and I havent seen the Jones fight, but have read many opinions on it, but cant comment without actually watching the fight.

              I dont think Ali ever flat out got a win that wasnt close though, although the first Spinks fights scores were pretty ridiculous imo. So by gift I just mean decisions you dont agree with.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Die Antwoord View Post
                Im not a big fan of ALi,
                NO?????

                Typical thread from yourself, if we say that the Klit's are the greatest human beings let alone fighters ever will you run along?

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                • #9
                  I've never seen the Young fight, but winning over Norton was very close. Could have gone either way, hard to call that a "gift."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Die Antwoord View Post
                    Im not a big fan of ALi, but maybe I should change the word gift. My idea of a gift decision is simply when a guy is given a decision I disagree with. I mean some judges are just bad. One just in the Foreman vs. Ali fight had Foreman winning 0 rounds against Ali...im sorry, I wasnt watching the same fight. ( I had it 3-3-1 going into the 8th). The same ref who had Reid beating calzaghe (116-111) also had Dimitrenko drawing Chambers. SO I think there are bad refs out there.

                    From what I saw he had 3 gifts. Young, and Norton 2 and 3. I thought Shavers was a draw and I havent seen the Jones fight, but have read many opinions on it, but cant comment without actually watching the fight.

                    I dont think Ali ever flat out got a win that wasnt close though, although the first Spinks fights scores were pretty ridiculous imo. So by gift I just mean decisions you dont agree with.
                    "Gift decision" does not mean a decision I don't agree with, since I'm not qualified to judge a fight. Unless it's a blatant robbery, the judges get the benefit of the doubt over my opinion.

                    And every fight that Ali won by decision, I scored for him.

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