P4P lists: what is your criteria?

[McGoorty]

definition of types of list

for me,its
1)opposition
2)skills

and thats it

To be fair to you I agree with those 2 criteria you mentioned obviously, BUT I need more than just that.------First, what do you define as a Pound 4 Pound ATG list and say A ATG List for the greatest fighters period,---------------------I have noticed your disdain for the old timers so I assume your p4p list is from around the late 60's to the present and forget if a fighter had never lost at his weight in 200 fights. If he came from the 30's or earlier for instance you just think they were amateurs or something,---------I can't take a list like that seriously,.... you're leaving out the All Time in ATG.-------------------------------------------------------A P4P list should have fighters that could fight above their class simple. So that leaves out your one division specialists ( excluding Smaller HW's due to the open weight class) like Tszyu, Hagler, Zale etc.............This does not mean they'd not be in a top 100 greatest boxers period where the criterion can differ vastly, Take Benny Leonard, isn't his 200 fights as a LW superior to a guy who won 3 alphabet titles and only won say 20 fights at LW, 10 at jrWW, and 1 at WW. It must do -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1. P4p lists, guys like Fitzsimmons with 3 undisputed linear titles and 2 of the same like Basilio, are always p4p favorites, and those Undisputed Linear titles are worth 5 times modern day fighters in the alphabet soup (yes, I know that ain't their fault) which makes their records less credible,,,, so with moderns,,,,,, ignore silly things like so and so never lost a fight when he hasn't even had 50 fights, just look at who they beat and most importantly, watch their fights in high def to make up your mind who the best 10 are and put them in.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------2. Greatest atg period. this is where you put Hagler because he fits this criteria perfectly........... Unlike p4p list,... things like a fighters overall legacy to boxing is a very important factor here. Bias shouldn't be a factor. In my opinion, 4 men stand out WAY Ahead, their legacy is not up for argument, First,... Mr. Million dollar gate, JACK DEMPSEY, he brought in crowds far in excess of any previous 10 fighters combined, in short EVERY fighter since owes him a debt of gratitude, they get rich because he made boxing BIG,------------------------------------------------ ---- ------------- the other 3 I needn't explain their legacy, JOE LOUIS, RAY ROBINSON and ALI.................. They are the most famous to the non boxing fan.

[SCtrojansbaby]

25% best wins
25% consistency
50% talent

For example Floyd Mayweather jr would do GREAT in consistency and talent but would do bad in the best wins department.

[McGoorty]

This is some CRITERIA For you Trojans !!!!!

25% best wins
25% consistency
50% talent

For example Floyd Mayweather jr would do GREAT in consistency and talent but would do bad in the best wins department.

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[McGoorty]

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[IronDanHamza]

I go pretty much solely by resume, personally.

I only throw head to head in if I find it too hard to split them.

[RubenSonny]

I go pretty much solely by resume, personally.

I only throw head to head in if I find it too hard to split them.

Resume and head too head are very intertwined though, I tend to go with quality wins over quantity in general, I don't rate LL as highly as some do.

[IronDanHamza]

Resume and head too head are very intertwined though, I tend to go with quality wins over quantity in general, I don't rate LL as highly as some do.

I agree, but for example, I rate Manuel Oritz at #4 at Bantamweight mainly because of his unprecedented longevity.

I usually go with quality over quantity but I guess it depends how when and where, per se.

[McGoorty]

Ruiz Z grade

Ruiz isnt very good, a C class fighter at best. It's a solid win only because Jones moved up to fight him. Hill is overated, he was outboxed by a past prime ww in his prime. When Jones was originally offered the fight in 96, he turned it down, the fight would of meant something then. But when Jones did fight Hill, Hill was coming of a bad beating from Darius and hadn't fought in a a year.

Johnson also was past prime as well, far from that guy who gave Toney and Collins fits at mw.

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