Joe Frazier Beats The Klits, Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield

[mrboxer]

joe does not last one round against any of these guys,joe would have a better chance of fighting guys like marciano or tommy burns

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You're talking like Frazier had no sting in his punch and couldn't KO any of these guys if he tried and we've seen all these guys knocked on their ass more often than Frazier. Frazier was a pressure fighter like Dempsey, Tyson. He was at his best fighting guys like foster and getting in the ring with Ali. And yes he was almost blind in his left eye for most of his careerthats why that side of his face looks like this so often:







and he certainly doesn't see this:



Foreman is the only man who ever actually got him counted out. Frazier had plenty of hurt in his hands and he could dish it out all night long and he could take it all night from everyone except Foreman.

No shame in that.

[New England]

Frazier's a terrible match for Wlad IMO

he'd actually be able to get inside and hit him on the chin. most of Wlad's opponents dont even attempt to get inside after a few rounds
you can bet frazier doesnt give up that easily

Frazier knocks Wlad out messy after chasing him and eating jabs for most of hte fight, down on the cards
in a classic
bobbin up and down
hands cross the face
classic frazier performance
upprbody movement like a lightweight
he'd be all beat up in victory
classic smokin joe


Vitali however might be a tougher nut to crack in terms of the style and durability

vitali has an ATG chin and Wlad's been stopped by solid punching journeymen


Today's Vitali has slowed down enough to lose easily on pts to frazier, but i think a more prime vitali gives him problems
and they'd go the distance in a classic
lets not forget that a shopworn frazier could do absoultly nothing with foreman's power and size. I'm not one of those who says that Wlad and Vitali can hold a candle to the power of Foreman, but they're both truely gigantic men.
If both Klitschkos didnt live squeaky clean and proper year round they'd easily baloon up to enormous weights and we'd get a better picture of their natural size

basically i'd give the Klits about a 40- 50 lb weight advantage in terms of natural size
Joe wasn't even six feet
had a shorter reach than shane mosley

frazier in a close one against vitali. he'd win on activity and aggression in the states
in germany itd be a close decision and i dont know how it would go considering germany's widely recognized as having consistantly lopsided judging in favor of homegrown fighters


Any of the other names would be classic's as well but i dont want to take the time to go through the matchups


pt being that all those fighters you mentioned are ATG
klitschkos included

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This is the only point I'm going to argue with as the rest I feel are more debatable dead ends.

The Frazier that got beat in Kingston, Jamaica was underprepared and arrogant.

Thats why he lost. He thought beating Ali meant he didn't need to work as hard and he spent the rest of his life making up for that mistake of not adapting his style against Foreman. Its why Ali took the rematch with him in the Garden and whipped him. Its why he went downhill from that point.

And Sam Peter? Come ON! Peter was fat, bloated and slow. Frazier is a much faster mover and better hitter. The only problem is accuracy.

And yes he had a SERIOUS eye problem.

[Toney616]

Frazier almost died from the beating he got from Ali. He was in hospital for 6 weeks due to punishment exclusively to the head (ali never went to the body). So how could he still be on top of his game after that?

The Frazier that got beat in Kingston, Jamaica was underprepared and arrogant.
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There is more to it than that. Both Futch and Durham noticed that Frazier wasnt the same fighter after the Ali fight, he had left too much in the ring. They were even trying to talk him into retiring. Futch was disturbed by Frazier's cavalier attitude towards Foreman. Futch didnt want Joe to fight Foerman at that point in time. Frazier was also being beaten up by Norton in sparring, which is why Futch stopped their sessions

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Bob Foster 70% KO record.

Koed by Frazier in two, four years before his retirement and two years before being KOed in 8 by Ali.

[Canelo Phresh]

[Canelo Phresh]

[Scott9945]

Bob Foster 70% KO record.

Koed by Frazier in two, four years before his retirement and two years before being KOed in 8 by Ali.

What was Foster's KO record against heavyweights? It's not like that is irrelevant.

[Canelo Phresh]

For real chuvalo was a tough sob