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Larry Holmes and Wladimir Klitschko. Titlereign comparison.

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  • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

    With 20 CONSECUTIVE defenses....I doubt it. Wlad may gain some ground, but Vits will never be a threat to even come close to Holmes. Bank on it!!

    And of course you have no answer. It's easier for you to talk out you azz than provide true and real facts.
    - - Holmes vs title holders having won titles in the ring...0-6, 0 KOs is the only thing static about Holmes, the proverbial anchor that eventually sinks him to your fetid depths...only in boxing, folks!!!

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    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

      - - Holmes vs title holders having won titles in the ring...0-6, 0 KOs is the only thing static about Holmes, the proverbial anchor that eventually sinks him to your fetid depths...only in boxing, folks!!!
      Lmao.....when you can't argue anything positive about your claim, revert back to the irrelevant. I'll take 20 consecutive defenses over 0-2 with one quit job any day. So will every historian past, present and future.

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      • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

        Lmao.....when you can't argue anything positive about your claim, revert back to the irrelevant. I'll take 20 consecutive defenses over 0-2 with one quit job any day. So will every historian past, present and future.
        - - Not consecutive.

        Busted up by the Mighty Marvis Frazier, 10-0 record.

        Priceless example of your timeline illiteracy...

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        • I'm sorry, 19 consecutive title defenses, 20 consecutive championship wins, no losses in his prime. Shall we continue? Either way you would like to count it, he has more consecutive title defenses than anyone but Joe Louis.
          Last edited by JAB5239; 03-24-2023, 08:11 AM.

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          • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
            I'm sorry, 19 consecutive title defenses, 20 consecutive championship wins, no losses in his prime. Shall we continue? Either way you would like to count it, he has more consecutive title defenses than anyone but Joe Louis.
            - - Lar logged 17 straight WBC fights before being derailed by the mighty Marvis.

            His next title fight was against the mighty Bonecrusher for the inaugural mighty IBF belt.

            Yer Welcome...

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            • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

              - - Lar logged 17 straight WBC fights before being derailed by the mighty Marvis.

              His next title fight was against the mighty Bonecrusher for the inaugural mighty IBF belt.

              Yer Welcome...
              When Holmes fought Frazier he was the lineal champion. 17+3=20. Also has the most consecutive ko's in title fights. Again, shall we go on?

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              • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                Holmes did not duck the fight.

                Don King, always a master of promotion, decided the black Champ Vs Apartheid South Africaâs first ever champ would set records and line everyoneâs pockets. One problem, tennis legend Arthur Ashe and entertainer Harry Belafonte, both also key figures in the civil rights movement, formed an organization called Artists and Athletes against Apartheid (AAAA).
                Many athletes and celebrities such as Muhammad Ali, Gene Upshaw, Tony Randall, **** Gregory, Carlos Santana, Paul Newman the champ himself Larry Holmes and yes, even Don King were members of this group (along with dozens and dozens of others). They were dedicated to dismantling Apartheid by doing everything in their power to do so, including boycotting anything that would help profit the government of South Africa.
                As the champion Holmes could fight who he wished. Due to the world politics of the time and boxing alphabet politics Holmes an excellent champion used it as an excuse not to fight Coetzee. The loss would have been very political if he fought him and was defeated by Coetzee.

                One of Coetzee losses was a bad call ( Politics the SD loss to Snipes ) who of course Holmes gave a title shot to earlier and knocked Larry down and had him in some trouble. The other was a draw to the very good P Thomas. I wonder , if being South African at time had anything to due with those decisions.

                Now Apartheid is completely wrong. I am just pointing out the politics and decisions of the times. In case you wondering why there are so few native South African Black heavyweights, most of the black population in South African come from tribal bushman stock and they are quite small people.
                Last edited by Dr. Z; 03-24-2023, 09:58 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                  As the champion Holmes could fight who he wished. Due to the world politics of the time and boxing alphabet politics Holmes an excellent champion used it as an excuse not to fight Coetzee. The loss would have been very political if he fought him and was defeated by Coetzee.

                  One of Coetzee losses was a bad call ( Politics the SD loss to Snipes ) who of course had a Holmes title shot and knocked Larry down and had him in some trouble. The other was a draw to the very good Pi. Thomas. I wonder if being South African at time had anything to due with those decisions.

                  Now Apartheid is completely wrong. I am just pointing out the politics and decisions of the times. In case you wondering why there are so few native South African Black heavyweights most of the black population in South African come from tribal bushman stock and they are quite small people.
                  Why should the champion be forced to go to Apartheid South africa under those conditions and not show support for the oppressed of that country. I don't see it as an excuse at all when if Coetzee wanted the title he could have come to the mecca of boxing....which isn't and never has been South Africa.

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                  • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                    When Holmes fought Frazier he was the lineal champion. 17+3=20. Also has the most consecutive ko's in title fights. Again, shall we go on?
                    - - Ah, the mythical fig leaf lineal champ...

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                    • Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                      Why should the champion be forced to go to Apartheid South africa under those conditions and not show support for the oppressed of that country. I don't see it as an excuse at all when if Coetzee wanted the title he could have come to the mecca of boxing....which isn't and never has been South Africa.
                      Who says the fight has to be in South Africa? Do you have any proof if Holmes offering the fight in the USA? I am saying Holmes did not offer the fight Or did he?

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