Where do you think Larry Holmes shoud be on a P4P list and HW list?

[Toney616]

LOL.....I think very highly of Holmes (I rank him 5-6 on my Heavyweight ATG list). To my mind, the only reason the Norton fight was as close as it was was due to Holmes' injury. Even with the injury I felt it was a narrow Holmes victory and this bs about Norton being robbed is just that: Bull**** :bull****9:

Poet

off topic:
Is there any footage of Holmesand Fraziers sparring sessions

[Scott9945]

off topic:
Is there any footage of Holmesand Fraziers sparring sessions

Holmes used to spar with Ali. It was Norton who used to be in the same stable as Frazier.

[StarshipTrooper]

It would be cool if one day they made an advanced computer simulation. where you could then watch the fights play out.

Yeah, right now it's just text with minimal animation lol.

Poet

[Toney616]

Holmes used to spar with Ali. It was Norton who used to be in the same stable as Frazier.

Im sure I heard Holmes talk about sparring with Frazier as well.

[Toney616]

Yeah, right now it's just text with minimal animation lol.

Poet

Hopefully someday soon, someone puts something together. I would do it, but I know it would take me years to finish, lol

[Sugarj]

LOL.....I think very highly of Holmes (I rank him 5-6 on my Heavyweight ATG list). To my mind, the only reason the Norton fight was as close as it was was due to Holmes' injury. Even with the injury I felt it was a narrow Holmes victory and this bs about Norton being robbed is just that: Bull**** :bull****9:

Poet

As per my first post on this thread I rate Holmes top 5 too, I'm a big fan. You caught me a little cold before, I fear it was Holmes's left bicep that was injured going into the Norton fight, not his right. I'm pretty sure Larry mentions this on Champions forever, I'll check it out.

I did score the Holmes vs Norton fight to Holmes by a round. Close fight.

Norton always did give decent orthodox technicians like Ali, Young and Holmes a tough fight.

[Sugarj]

Holmes used to spar with Ali. It was Norton who used to be in the same stable as Frazier.

No, Larry used to spar with Frazier too. He helped Frazier prepare for Ali 1971. There is very brief footage on 'The Fighters' documentary.

[StarshipTrooper]

As per my first post on this thread I rate Holmes top 5 too, I'm a big fan. You caught me a little cold before, I fear it was Holmes's left bicep that was injured going into the Norton fight, not his right. I'm pretty sure Larry mentions this on Champions forever, I'll check it out.

I did score the Holmes vs Norton fight to Holmes by a round. Close fight.

Norton always did give decent orthodox technicians like Ali, Young and Holmes a tough fight.

Ah ok! I thought it was the other way around.....still, the way Holmes' relied on his jab a torn LEFT bicep is even more of a handicap than the right.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Interesting, I do have a feeling that Holmes in 1980 was a touch better than Ali in 1971, so I give him a chance against Frazier. He would have to be better than he was against Norton in 1978 though.

I think Frazier's better/more likely chance would be by decision. Just an opinion of course based on what I've seen of the two of them. Not a fight I would bet on!

I dont think Frazier would do a 'Jimmy Ellis' on Holmes in four rounds. I think Larry's game was better in every way than Ellis's......not to mention chin, reach and dimensions.

My reason for strongly believing Frazier would `smoke` Holmes is that Frazier in his fight with Ali in 1971 was relentless and also he showed in his fight with Ali in Manilla that he was an unbelievable pressure fighter and Holmes is not in the same league as Muhammad Ali was in 1971, Ali hit Frazier with well over 1000+ punches but Frazier done all the damage up close, i cannot see how Holmes could keep Frazier off of him as he does not have the footwork or the speed of punch that Muhammad Ali had, Ali used his uppercut very effectively against Frazier but it was not enough and with Frazier's bobbing & weaving style it is very difficult to keep him off with the jab no matter how good your jab is Frazier slips it and gets inside and IMO that would be curtains for Holmes

[Sugarj]

Ah ok! I thought it was the other way around.....still, the way Holmes' relied on his jab a torn LEFT bicep is even more of a handicap than the right.

Poet

His jab still was superb that night despite the pain. Full credit to Holmes, he clearly wanted that belt. Crazy guy!!!