Stylistic Groups

[frankenfrank]

In this thread try to discriminate between boxers according to their fighting technique alone , so split them into groups.

I will also be glad if someone quotes my next post which will demonstrate it , and add boxers to each of the groups and maybe even find more groups (significantly different styles)

[frankenfrank]

Group #1 (tall jabbers) :
Lennox Lewis , Vitali Klitschko , Wladimir Klitschko , Lance Whitaker , Jameel McCline , Primo Carnerra , Larry Holmes , Muhammad Ali , Chad Dawson , Bob Foster , Antonio Tarver , Thomas Hearns , Paul Williams , Alexis Arguello , Amir Khan

Can I add these to this group :
James Corbett

Group #2 (short pressure fighters / swarmers) :
David Tua , Mike Tyson , Joe Frazier , Rocky Marciano , Sam Langford ,
Tommy Burns , Charley Mitchell , Carmen Basilio , Muhammad Qawi (Dwight Braxton) ,

Group #3 (short versatile (mildly aggressive) counter punchers) :
Montell Griffin , Chris Byrd , James Toney , Roberto Duran , Marvin Hagler ,

Group #4 (safety first , avoid fight at all cost counter punchers) :
Pernell Whitaker , Jersey Joe Walcott , Jimmy Young , Jimmy Ellis

Group #5 (right hand punchers) :
Oliver McCall , Hassim Rahman , Kirk Johnson , Earnest Shavers , Joe Louis , Max Baer , Max Schmelling , Julian Jackson , Felix Trinidad

Group #6 (sluggers) :
George Foreman , Rid**** Bowe , Sonny Liston , Michael Grant , Evander Holyfield , Ike Ibeabuchi , Joe Mesi , Sam Peter , Vassily Jirov , Nigel Benn , Iran Barkley , Gerald McClellan , Jorge Castro , John Mugabi , Antonio Margarito ,




And to which group will you associate these (each case to his own) :
Ezzard Charles , Archie Moore , Michael Spinks , Orlin Norris , George Chuvalo , Oscar Bonavena , Jerry Quarry , Dominick Guinn , Oscar Delahoya ,

[DarkTerror88]

Group #1 (tall jabbers) :
Lennox Lewis , Vitali Klitschko , Wladimir Klitschko , Lance Whitaker , Jameel McCline , Primo Carnerra , Larry Holmes , Muhammad Ali , Chad Dawson , Bob Foster , Antonio Tarver , Thomas Hearns , Paul Williams , Alexis Arguello , Amir Khan

Can I add these to this group :
James Corbett

Group #2 (short pressure fighters / swarmers) :
David Tua , Mike Tyson , Joe Frazier , Rocky Marciano , Sam Langford ,
Tommy Burns , Charley Mitchell , Carmen Basilio ,

Group #3 (short versatile (mildly aggressive) counter punchers) :
Muhammad Qawi (Dwight Braxton) , Montell Griffin , Chris Byrd , James Toney ,

Group #4 (safety first , avoid fight at all cost counter punchers) :
Pernell Whitaker , Jersey Joe Walcott , Jimmy Young , Jimmy Ellis

Group #5 (right hand punchers) :
Oliver McCall , Hassim Rahman , Kirk Johnson , Earnest Shavers , Joe Louis , Max Baer , Max Schmelling , Julian Jackson , Felix Trinidad

Group #6 (sluggers) :
George Foreman , Rid**** Bowe , Sonny Liston , Michael Grant , Evander Holyfield , Ike Ibeabuchi , Joe Mesi , Sam Peter , Vassily Jirov , Nigel Benn , Iran Barkley , Gerald McClellan , Jorge Castro , Marvin Hagler , John Mugabi , Roberto Duran , Antonio Margarito ,




And to which group will you associate these (each case to his own) :
Ezzard Charles , Archie Moore , Michael Spinks , Orlin Norris , George Chuvalo , Oscar Bonavena , Jerry Quarry , Dominick Guinn , Oscar Delahoya ,

I think there needs to be a boxer/puncher category, that discriminates men who could box all day long or slug it out.

But Ezzard was a ring technician so i guess 1 would be right for him although the group i mentioned works better imo. Archie Moore liked to slug it out sometimes. Quarry was a counter puncher. Im not too sure about the rest yet.

Im on the fence about putting LaMotta in group 3 but i dont know yet.

Your thoughts?

[frankenfrank]

I think there needs to be a boxer/puncher category, that discriminates men who could box all day long or slug it out.

But Ezzard was a ring technician so i guess 1 would be right for him although the group i mentioned works better imo. Archie Moore liked to slug it out sometimes. Quarry was a counter puncher. Im not too sure about the rest yet.

Im on the fence about putting LaMotta in group 3 but i dont know yet.

Your thoughts?

Group 1 is not ring technicians or else James Toney would have been there but he is not . Group #1 is the place of boxers who used their height to rely on their jabs , not else. James Toney was too versatile to be included in that group , I know Lewis had some other punches , especially an uppercut , but the most typical Lewis relied on his jab and height.
So Ezzard Charles was a mere jabber ? Of the little I watched he was more aggressive than that , Walcott is a better example : not a main jabber but definitely a technician.

[Barn]

It's a myth that Hagler was a brawler

[DarkTerror88]

Group 1 is not ring technicians or else James Toney would have been there but he is not . Group #1 is the place of boxers who used their height to rely on their jabs , not else. James Toney was too versatile to be included in that group , I know Lewis had some other punches , especially an uppercut , but the most typical Lewis relied on his jab and height.
So Ezzard Charles was a mere jabber ? Of the little I watched he was more aggressive than that , Walcott is a better example : not a main jabber but definitely a technician.

I just picked 1 because Charles had one hell of a sharp jab. Then i suppose he belongs in the same group as James Toney.

[Thread Stealer]

Some fighters I think are too hard to put into just one category. Hearns was taller than most opponents and had a terrific jab, but also could be in the "right hand puncher" category. He has one of the greatest right crosses ever. The same description for Hearns can apply to Arguello. Hagler fits the boxer/puncher category, but slugged if he needed to. He's not that tall which would disqualify him from the "tall jabber" group, but has long arms and a terrific jab which he relied upon.

Paul Williams is ridiculously tall for his division, and uses his jab a lot, but I think he fights more like a brawler.

I think Qawi belongs in the short pressure fighter/swarmer category.

[frankenfrank]

I just picked 1 because Charles had one hell of a sharp jab. Then i suppose he belongs in the same group as James Toney.

But then again , maybe u were true in your first claim and Charles is closer to the jabbers than to Toney , I simply did not watch enough of him to know ,
Toney is quite versatile , but probably more of an infighter than an outboxer .

[frankenfrank]

Some fighters I think are too hard to put into just one category. Hearns was taller than most opponents and had a terrific jab, but also could be in the "right hand puncher" category. He has one of the greatest right crosses ever. The same description for Hearns can apply to Arguello. Hagler fits the boxer/puncher category, but slugged if he needed to. He's not that tall which would disqualify him from the "tall jabber" group, but has long arms and a terrific jab which he relied upon.

The reach stats are lies on at least 97% of the time , but Hagler a jabber ?
Tyson could jab his way in too but did it make him a jabber ? I think not.

Paul Williams is ridiculously tall for his division, and uses his jab a lot, but I think he fights more like a brawler.

Then why brawler ? Hearns brawled more than he does , was he a brawler ?

I think Qawi belongs in the short pressure fighter/swarmer category.

Which was my first guess about him , but then he could also be regarded as a right hand puncher , as well as a swarmer and a counter puncher .

[NChristo]

Group #5 (right hand punchers) :
Oliver McCall , Hassim Rahman , Kirk Johnson , Earnest Shavers , Joe Louis , Max Baer , Max Schmelling , Julian Jackson , Felix Trinidad

Joe Louis and Trinidad were both known for their great left hooks and could punch good with both hands.