Is Sonny Liston A Top 10 ATG Heavyweight?

[Poet682006]

Why? Why must this thread bring in Lennox? Why? ?POR QUE?

Beating them to the punch.....Lewis was about to be brought up as the example of what a true champion is and how much Liston is a bum in comparison.....pre-emptive strike

Poet

[Daddy T]

I think I'd have him just squeezing into the top ten he demolished everybody in his day until he met Ali and I reckon he would have been too much for either Frazier or Rocky. Simply cause the come straight at type fighters don't too well against bigger badder come straight at you type fighter.

fair enough he met a prime Ali that would have beaten anybody and got well beaten. But his displays in both those fights showed he was seriously lacking heart so definately no higher than 8

[0Rooster4Life0]

H2H i have him right in there..

But achievement wise he just misses out for me, He may very well have ruled for a long time if not for Ali, But the fact is Ali was there and Ali did beat him twice, once convincingly and once ........ Well thats a mystery.

I can't lie The second Ali fight is one of the main reasons Sonny just misses out for me, He was a Powerhouse with a fantastic Jab, and H2H he would win against Most of the ATG.

We could say the same about Foreman...if the wise Ali weren't in his way He may have been on top for years, then maybe never had come back....


Anyway Just My Opinion

[Daddy T]

the only person of the period I see beating Liston other than ali is foreman, and then before that I'd have to go back to the brown bomber. But yeah his lack of heart makes it impossible to put him too high on the list

[turdleburgle]

Listen very carefully: While I love Frank Bruno he was NOT better than any of the 4 I named NOR was he in-prime. Vitali was about as good as Williams (which isn't a knock on Vitali as Williams was FAR better than you're giving him credit for). Tua may have been a little bit better than Valdez. You might want to rely on something other than a quick glance at BoxRec when making claims about fighters you know nothing about such as Valdez. Ocasio was NOT an in-prime Lewis opponent (his prime was at least a decade earlier when he was fighting the likes of Holmes) nor was he better than the four fighters I listed.....Next!

Poet

Even if you dont think they were in their primes they were still as good if not better.who did cleveland williams ever beat to be considered as good as vitali? that's right nobody!


tua beat quite a few top heavyweights but valdez lost to all that he aced and he lost to bums too.



**** guys like botha and briggs are far etter than the likes of valdez,lewis fought in a much stronger era than liston.

[Poet682006]

Even if you dont think they were in their primes they were still as good if not better.who did cleveland williams ever beat to be considered as good as vitali? that's right nobody!

Who did Vitali beat to be considered better than Williams? That's right: A bunch of class-c fighters who beat up his little sister :hahahaha9:

tua beat quite a few top heavyweights but valdez lost to all that he aced and he lost to bums too.[/COLOR]

Please name the top Heavies that Tua didn't lose to......and do NOT say "Rahman" as I just ate and don't fancy vomiting


[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]**** guys like botha and briggs are far etter than the likes of valdez,lewis fought in a much stronger era than liston.

It's now official: You're utterly ignorant about boxing and it's history. Nobody with ANY knowledge of boxing prior to 1990 rates Botha and Briggs as anything but journeymen and would be so no matter what era they fought in. No amount of BoxRec "special opps" is going to cure you of your lack of any knowledge of boxers prior to your own times.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Who did Vitali beat to be considered better than Williams? That's right: A bunch of class-c fighters who beat up his little sister :hahahaha9:




It's now official: You're utterly ignorant about boxing and it's history. Nobody with ANY knowledge of boxing prior to 1990 rates Botha and Briggs as anything but journeymen and would be so no matter what era they fought in. No amount of BoxRec "special opps" is going to cure you of your lack of any knowledge of boxers prior to your own times.

Poet

Poet... your better putting the clown on your ignore list rather than pulling your hair out at his ******ity

[turdleburgle]

Who did Vitali beat to be considered better than Williams? That's right: A bunch of class-c fighters who beat up his little sister :hahahaha9:


who are still better than the bums williams beat,only thing cleveland williams had on sanders was a decent physique

It's now official: You're utterly ignorant about boxing and it's history. Nobody with ANY knowledge of boxing prior to 1990 rates Botha and Briggs as anything but journeymen and would be so no matter what era they fought in. No amount of BoxRec "special opps" is going to cure you of your lack of any knowledge of boxers prior to your own times.

Poet

and yet these so called journeyman are still greater than valdez,valdez was a bum who lost to other bums,he.quality fighters dont lose to bums and he did

[turdleburgle]

says the clown who calls Joe Louis, Roy Jones, Thomas Hearns & Floyd Patterson a bunch of Glass-chinned champions.... when the reality is that 3 of the four are rated as the greatest ever in their weight divisions while the forth was one of the youngest and best boxers ever in his division, which goes to show just how knowledgable you are on this sport... pea-brain`

I doubt he ever said that,just looks like your trying to pick arguments as usual.the only one with a pea brain around here is you.And even if he did say that he isnt lying as they were all regarded as having weak chins.

[Obama]

says the clown who calls Joe Louis, Roy Jones, Thomas Hearns & Floyd Patterson a bunch of Glass-chinned champions.... when the reality is that 3 of the four are rated as the greatest ever in their weight divisions while the forth was one of the youngest and best boxers ever in his division, which goes to show just how knowledgable you are on this sport... pea-brain`

Roy Jones and Thomas Hearns are rated the greatest ever in which weight divisons?

Furthermore while I said their chins weren't that good, I also consider them great fighters. I rate Joe Louis #1 at HW "pea-brain", something you don't.

Honestly it's pretty obvious you're not exactly an intellectual. Don't call people smarter than you "pea-brains" unless you want to be embarrassed. I've been gentle with you up until now. Let's not change things.