Fighters who were unbeatable in their prime.

[Toney616]

Nah, I just forgot to say under-training.

You can't have a bad night, if you've trained properly and thoroughly, are focused, and have a good gameplan.

JMM and Morales made Pacquiao have a bad nights. Castillo made Mayweather have a bad night.

If anything gameplans are underrated and fighters are overrated.

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lol at Naz's expression in your avy

[StarshipTrooper]

You can't have a bad night, if you've trained properly and thoroughly, are focused, and have a good gameplan.

Sure you can! Even hall of fame quarterbacks have the odd bad game here and there. We're talking about human beings here not machines

Poet

[prinzemanspopa]

Bear in mind I'm not a Frazier hater

You should try it some time,you may enjoy it.Nothing more fulfilling,as a boxing fan,than tearing apart a cherry pickers legacy.


You seem to take great joy in doing so when it comes to fighters who aren't guilty of fraudulence the way Frazier is.

[Toney616]

You should try it some time,you may enjoy it.Nothing more fulfilling,as a boxing fan,than tearing apart a cherry pickers legacy.


You seem to take great joy in doing so when it comes to fighters who aren't guilty of fraudulence the way Frazier is.

Frazier is top fighter and within the ATG HW top 15 ranking.

[$Bullsfam$]

I know his division was pretty weak but Bernard Hopkins anyone? I think he entered if after the Jones fight, and it ended after the 1st Taylor fight although with his great technical ability he can still get the job done today.

Pernell Whitaker? He was like a bank, he was robbed so many times it wasn't even funny. I think the only decisive losses in his career came to Tito and his last fight but I think I read Pernell even fought with a broken jaw in that fight, or was it his hand? Didn't know while I was watching it. But the worst robbery in history was the 1st fight with Ramirez, I've watched the Oscar fight three times, first time I had Pernell up by 2 rounds, second time up by a round, so I could see it being a draw but I don't think oscar won that fight, and the Chavez decision was absolutely disgusting and probably the 2nd biggest robbery. BUt other then the robberies and he wasn't even at his best against Oscar, he was still literally untouchable and couldn't be beat.

[prinzemanspopa]

I do agree partially, Frazier has become bitter over the years about he fights with Ali.

I wasn't talking about Frazier's feeling towards Ali,I could care less about that.I don't like to see fighters rated as something they're not.In my view,Frazier is no all time great and I get tired of seeing him treated like one.


There are so many holes in his career that are glossed over,that very few other fighters have been able to get away with.

within the ATG HW top 15 ranking.

I guess that's a fair enough ranking.Such a ranking still doesn't give him true ATG status,though.

[Heru]

off topic:
lol at Naz's expression in your avy

What is he thinking? Something deep or "damn that's a big ass lump" .

Sure you can! Even hall of fame quarterbacks have the odd bad game here and there. We're talking about human beings here not machines

Poet

Having a week to prepare for a team is not the same as having 2 months to prepare for a fighter.

An elite level fighter won't have an off night, just because... There has to be a reason for it.

Whether it be over-training, under-training, dehydration, being unfocused, sick, no sleep, out partying the nights before, or the opponents gameplan and style, you have to be able to chalk it up to something.

[Toney616]

I guess that's a fair enough ranking.Such a ranking still doesn't give him true ATG status,though.

I think its a great accomplishment, especially when you take into account the hundreds of fighters who have fought at hw.

[jrosales13]

No one was unbeatable. But, IMO...

Holyfield @ CW
Roy @ SMW
SRR @ WW
Lopez @ SW

are the closest thing to unbeatable as you can get.

[bojangles1987]

No such thing as an "unbeatable" fighter. Even the best ATGs in their primes can be beaten by another ATG opponent making a phenominal effort.

Poet

Exactly.

Closest thing I can think of is Roy in his prime at 168. Even that is quite a stretch.