Joe Frazier said the judges were paid off in the 2nd fight with Muhammad Ali

[Toney616]

I dont know about the judges, but I do know that Toney Perez was either incompetent or on the take for that second fight

[frankenfrank]

Don't forget the black ******s hired a voodoo doc to put a spell on foreman, and if that didn't work dundee had loosend the ropes, and if that didn't work they had this funny water to make foreman fight like a moron.

Frazier is a funny guy, he made that doc thrilla in manilla completely dogging ali, then he does facing ali and praises him. Its clear frazier will say anything if the price is right.

Dundee did loosen the ropes ! he did it by putting a big ring's ropes in the small one. boxingboy is d one whom i learned this from and this is his thread , so this is d place 4u to verify it by asking it. Of course boxingboy , as a Clayton will deny/excuse and twist reality only to make Ali , Dundee and Don King seem innocent.

[JAB5239]

Dundee did loosen the ropes ! he did it by putting a big ring's ropes in the small one. boxingboy is d one whom i learned this from and this is his thread , so this is d place 4u to verify it by asking it. Of course boxingboy , as a Clayton will deny/excuse and twist reality only to make Ali , Dundee and Don King seem innocent.

How exactly did Dundee change the ropes when it is the commissions job to set up the ring?

[frankenfrank]

How exactly did Dundee change the ropes when it is the commissions job to set up the ring?

So why should the commission put unfit ropes ?

[frankenfrank]

boxingboy , why did you put prinzemanspopa on ignore ? he would have supported your stance here.

[StarshipTrooper]

So why should the commission put unfit ropes ?

Hmmmm. Maybe because Zaire is a third-world ****hole and those ropes were all they had? I don't suppose THAT ever occured to your protozoa sized brain.

Poet

[GJC]

Dundee did loosen the ropes ! he did it by putting a big ring's ropes in the small one. boxingboy is d one whom i learned this from and this is his thread , so this is d place 4u to verify it by asking it. Of course boxingboy , as a Clayton will deny/excuse and twist reality only to make Ali , Dundee and Don King seem innocent.

Learn to read then learn about boxing, this is the post you learnt it from, correct?

Dundee did not make the ropes loose.The ropes were for a 20 foot ring,and it was only a 16 foot ring.Please quit making up things.

Normally the ring is 20-24 feet for Championship fights.So there are no ropes for a 16 foot ring.Foreman wanted a small ring so Muhammad Ali would have trouble dancing,and it would make it easy for him to cut off the ring.

Dundee did not make the ropes loose,period.Please stop making "excuses" for poor old George who got a 16 foot ring,and a softly padded canvas so Ali could not dance.

Where in that post does it mention Dundee bringing the ropes with him?

Now would you like me to post some further links from Dundee etc about him attempting to tighten the ropes?

But Foreman did win the weigh in so it wasn't all bad

[Sugarj]

Fraziers problems in fight two concerned the following:

1) He was never quite as good following the first Ali fight or the Foreman fight.

2) Ali was allowed to get away with the clinching behind the head.

3) If all three Frazier fights were 12 rounds, Ali would have likely taken all three.


Also, I dont think Ali really needed that clinching to win the second Frazier fight. In fight three, the ref Carlos Padilla stamped it out early.......and Ali clearly won that fight, so I dont think it is that conclusive.

Ali was in very good shape and his movement and combinations were excellent in fight 2, he certainly deserved the victory.

[JAB5239]

So why should the commission put unfit ropes ?

Exactly. Dundee had no influence on the ring besides the negotiations. To think he had anything to do with it is absurd, especially without an speck of proof.

[Stone Roses!]

Fraziers problems in fight two concerned the following:

1) He was never quite as good following the first Ali fight or the Foreman fight.

2) Ali was allowed to get away with the clinching behind the head.

3) If all three Frazier fights were 12 rounds, Ali would have likely taken all three.


Also, I dont think Ali really needed that clinching to win the second Frazier fight. In fight three, the ref Carlos Padilla stamped it out early.......and Ali clearly won that fight, so I dont think it is that conclusive.

Ali was in very good shape and his movement and combinations were excellent in fight 2, he certainly deserved the victory.

Great post.