Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Where do you rate him?

[Shadow boxer 3]

top 5 middleweight IMO. and like you said, nothing was handed to him. he did everything the hard way and earned everything he got. one of my fav fighters

[r.burgundy]

i rank hagler in the 20 - 30 range.he was good but not great fighter.nothing really special.he had a great title reign but he his best wins were against much smaller guys despite having challenges from spinks,and qawi.had he took a chance in moved up he couldve cemented his legacy.but there is no way possible he should be ranked ahead of ray leonard who consistently took tough challenges at different weights

[r.burgundy]

I believe Hagler was an excellent fighter who I would rank anywhere between 30-15 on an all time greatest list.
I don't see why a lot of people on the forum put Sugar Ray Leonard above him on a Pound for Pound list?
Hagler has had more fights, did everything the hard way, never backed down from anyone etc.
I'm new to boxing so if any of my statements are wrong please correct me and notify me why.
Some people are also mentioning Hagler ducked Qawi and Spinks?
Spinks was in a much higher weight class and Hagler was a small Middleweight and Qawi was not as good as the opposition out there to face.
And don't get me started on Mike Mcallum

and qawi wouldve been easily the 3rd best fighter on haglers resume and probly his toughest fight

[Barn]

and qawi wouldve been easily the 3rd best fighter on haglers resume and probly his toughest fight

I mean money wise seeing Hagler had only earned 40,000 into his first 40 fights I think there were better money optiosn ie: Sugar Ray, Hearns, Duran.
Plus Qawi was Light Heavyweight.

[prinzemanspopa]

1984 was not 1 year before Hagler retired. He retired in 1987 after the Sugar Ray fight. Also Qawi was a light heavy just like spinks and only went up in weight , he fought Holyfield at 185lbs in 86' and then started fighting in the new cruiserweight division.

Spinks and Qawi moved up in weight for money.They weren't going to wait around at 175 and wait for Hagler to move up,because it was never going to happen.Hagler was too busy requesting natural welterweights to move up two weight classes and fight him.



There was nothing stopping Hagler from moving up a weight class other than the fear of fighting a man bigger than himself.

[turdleburgle]

other than robinson what other middleweights are better? Ive seen some monzon and never been impressed.he's too slow for someone like hagler

[JAB5239]

other than robinson what other middleweights are better? Ive seen some monzon and never been impressed.he's too slow for someone like hagler

Robinson should be below both Monzon and Hagler in my opinion. But saying Monzon was to slow.....he wasn't to slow for Napoles, Griffith or Benvenuti.

[turdleburgle]

Robinson should be below both Monzon and Hagler in my opinion. But saying Monzon was to slow.....he wasn't to slow for Napoles, Griffith or Benvenuti.

well I havent seen those fights but from what I have seen he looked very slow and his jab didnt look anywhere near as hard and accurate as haglers did.why would you not rate robinson above them?

[wmute]

3rd best mw, behind Greb and Monzon. Cant evaluate much before Greb, cos that's kind of the limit in time of what i "studied".

Hagler was my fav fighter growing up, and one of my favs these days. I have to say one thing, which I realized with time. He was not a smart fighter. That limits his position in a mythical ATG p4p standing. I would say he is behind Leonard, and definitely behind Duran.

[Toney616]

He was not a smart fighter.

Why do you say that?