Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Where do you rate him?

**D-MiZe** · 08-10-2010, 04:57 PM

SRL's p4p achievements are better than Hagler's.

**sonnyboyx2** · 08-11-2010, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by "Marvelous"

I believe Hagler was an excellent fighter who I would rank anywhere between 30-15 on an all time greatest list.
I don't see why a lot of people on the forum put Sugar Ray Leonard above him on a Pound for Pound list?
Hagler has had more fights, did everything the hard way, never backed down from anyone etc.
I'm new to boxing so if any of my statements are wrong please correct me and notify me why.
Some people are also mentioning Hagler ducked Qawi and Spinks?
Spinks was in a much higher weight class and Hagler was a small Middleweight and Qawi was not as good as the opposition out there to face.
And don't get me started on Mike Mcallum

Qawi was far better than the opposition out there..

Hagler just about makes the Top 10 IMO

**Toney616** · 08-11-2010, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by "Marvelous"

And don't get me started on Mike Mcallum

What do you mean?

**Barn** · 08-11-2010, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by -IronMike-

What do you mean?

Mike Mcallum claims Hagler ducked him.
For one Mccallum only got his first championship belt at junior middleweight in 1984 a year before Hagler retired. When Hagler retired he was at something like 24-0 so he was just a young prospect at that point. At that point Hagler had just fought Mugabe, Leonard and Hearns whom were way tougher than Mccallum at that point in his career.

**boxing boy** · 08-11-2010, 04:09 PM

Behind......

Grebb
Langford
SRR
Ketchel

Tied for 5th with Monzon.

**The_Demon** · 08-11-2010, 04:14 PM

Hes a top 5 MW for me,i have SRL above him in my ATG list though

**HaglerSteelChin** · 08-12-2010, 01:59 AM

What hurt hagler was guys like Rodrigo Valdez and Hugo Corro Wanted no part of him, and what happened in the Antefuermo fight is already known. At first, i thought the draw was the right decision, but if you put the volume down and don't listen to Howard Cossell than you will see what happened in that fight.

If Hagler had his title earlier, he may have broken Mozon's record. The fact still remains that in over 60 professional fights he beat every opponent he ever faced except in that last fight with SRL. A fight he wanted earlier in his career but only got when he slowed down under the conditions of glove size, ring size, and 12 rds instead of 15. BTW, i won't get drawn by a specific troll into that discussion as SRL vs Hagler has been discussed a million times in this board; including myself.

**Trenchant** · 08-12-2010, 05:10 AM

1984 was not 1 year before Hagler retired. He retired in 1987 after the Sugar Ray fight. Also Qawi was a light heavy just like spinks and only went up in weight , he fought Holyfield at 185lbs in 86' and then started fighting in the new cruiserweight division. I'd rank Hagler above Sugar Ray just based on opposition and number of title defenses but I'm biased because Ray did use out of the ring tactics like waiting for Hagler to slow down and waiting for Duran to party and get fat before giving him a rematch. Sugar Ray also didnt have nearly the amount of fights period that Hagler did.

**Barn** · 08-12-2010, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by Trenchant

1984 was not 1 year before Hagler retired. He retired in 1987 after the Sugar Ray fight. Also Qawi was a light heavy just like spinks and only went up in weight , he fought Holyfield at 185lbs in 86' and then started fighting in the new cruiserweight division. I'd rank Hagler above Sugar Ray just based on opposition and number of title defenses but I'm biased because Ray did use out of the ring tactics like waiting for Hagler to slow down and waiting for Duran to party and get fat before giving him a rematch. Sugar Ray also didnt have nearly the amount of fights period that Hagler did.

Sorry you're right my mistake.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Where do you rate him?