The Perfect Boxer

[NChristo]

I'll add the overhand punch, thanks for the ideas and suggestions. However, in what way is a cross different from a straight?

Straight goes through your opponents guard or the most direct path to the head / body.

Cross is a counter which goes over the opponents lead hand / jab
(Left arm / shoulder or right arm / shoulder depending on if they're orthodox or southpaw).

[SBleeder]

Straight goes through your opponents guard or the most direct path to the head / body.

Cross is a counter which goes over the opponents lead hand / jab
(Left arm / shoulder or right arm / shoulder depending on if they're orthodox or southpaw).

Good karma for you. Most people don't know the difference; I've even heard trainers use the terms interchangeably.

And I'll take Tommy Hearns for the straight right. Will add more later but need to go now.

[Sugarj]

I'm with you Gamegod. I think given enough time then certain fighters will dominate in certain attributes if enough people reply:

I'll go with Tommy Hearns for the straight right too!

[GameGod]

Straight goes through your opponents guard or the most direct path to the head / body.

Cross is a counter which goes over the opponents lead hand / jab
(Left arm / shoulder or right arm / shoulder depending on if they're orthodox or southpaw).

Thanks for clearing that up; I've added more punches to the list.

I'm with you Gamegod. I think given enough time then certain fighters will dominate in certain attributes if enough people reply:

I'll go with Tommy Hearns for the straight right too!

Thanks, and I think your choice for straight right is a fine one. Like you said, a core group of fighters will probably dominate each separate section.

[NChristo]

Taking a while to do so I'll just post what I've got so far and edit as I go along, will probably change a few too.

Tools:

* Durability -Battling Nelson
* Hand Speed - Meldrick Taylor
* Foot Speed - Muhammad Ali
* Reflexes - Roy Jones Jr
* Size & Build -
* Stamina - Rocky Marciano
* Athleticism - Roy Jones Jr
* Overall Talent - Eder Jofre

Skills:

* Head Movement -
* Body Movement - Pernell Whitaker
* Footwork -
* Defense - Nicolino Locche
* Ring Generalship - Carlos Monzon
* Body Punching - Carlos Palomino
* Balance - Pernell Whitaker
* Longevity - Archie Moore
* Use of Reach Advantage - Tommy Hearns
* Use of Height Advantage -


Styles:

* Boxing Ability
* Swarming Ability - Joe Frazier
* Slugging Ability - George Foreman
* In-Fighting Ability - Roberto Duran
* Mid-Range Ability - Joe Louis
* Long-Range Ability - Thomas Hearns
* Counterpunching Ability - Wilfred Benitez


Punching and Dodging:

* Overall Strength -
* One-Punch Power - Julian Jackson
* General Punch Power -
* Accuracy - Joe Louis
* Timing -
* Straightness of Punches - Alexis Arguello
* Variety of Offensive Arsenal - Sugar Ray Robinson
* Dodging - Nicolino Locche


Punches:

* Left Hook - Joe Frazier
* Right Hook - Marvin Hagler
* Left Cross
* Right Cross
* Left Straight
* Right Straight - Tommy Hearns
* Overhand - Tim Witherspoon
* Uppercut - Rid**** Bowe
* Jab - Sonny Liston


Mental:

* Mental Strength -
* Chin - Marvin Hagler
* Endurance -
* Heart - Joe Frazier
* Desire -
* Killer Instinct - Joe Louis
* Work Rate -
* Intimidation - Sonny Liston
* Consistency -
* Hard Training - Marvin Hagler
* Conditioning - Ken Norton
* Mental Game -
* Game Planning - Sugar Ray Leonard
* Trainer Bonus -


Extras:

* Pre-Fight Mind Games - Muhammad Ali
* In-Fight Mind Games - Jack Johnson
* Media Savvy - Chris Eubank (lol)
* Charisma - Sugar Ray Leonard
* PPV Buys - Muhammad Ali

[BigStereotype]

I don't know enough about the older fighters (really before the 60's) to judge all time, but I'll do post-1960 for these ones.
Tools:

• Durability: Marvin Hagler
• Hand Speed: Meldrick Taylor
• Foot Speed: Muhammad Ali
• Reflexes: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Size & Build: Juan Urango (Weird, I know, but he looks like a Light Heavyweight at Junior Welter)
• Stamina: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Athleticism: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Overall Talent: Roy Jones, Jr.

Skills:

• Head Movement: Pernell Whitaker
• Body Movement: Pernell Whitaker
• Footwork: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Defense: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Ring Generalship: Roberto Duran
• Body Punching: Gerard McClellan
• Balance: Manny Pacquiao

Styles:

• Boxing Ability (BOXING skills – people good at boxing, e.g. Mayweather, Whitaker): Floyd Mayweather
• Swarming Ability (SWARMING skills – people good at swarming, e.g. Dempsey, Tyson): Mike Tyson (Honorable Mention: Manny Pacquiao)
• Slugging Ability (SLUGGING skills – people good at slugging, e.g. Foreman, McClellan): George Foreman
• In-Fighting Ability: Roberto Duran
• Mid-Range Ability: Mike Tyson
• Long-Range Ability: Muhammad Ali
• Counterpunching Ability: Floyd Mayweather

Punching and Dodging:

• Overall Strength: George Foreman
• One-Punch Power: Julian Jackson
• General Punch Power: Thomas Hearns
• Accuracy: Felix Trinidad
• Timing: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Straightness of Punches: Don't Know
• Variety of Offensive Arsenal: Manny Pacquiao
• Dodging: Pernell Whitaker

Mental:

• Mental Strength: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Chin: Marvin Hagler
• Endurance: Antonio Margarito
• Heart: Evander Holyfield
• Desire: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Killer Instinct: Roberto Duran
• Work Rate: Antonio Margarito
• Intimidation: Sonny Liston

Extras:

• Pre-Fight Mind Games: Muhammad Ali
• In-Fight Mind Games: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Media Savvy: Sugar Ray Leonard
• Charisma: Muhammad Ali

[GameGod]

Taking a while to do so I'll just post what I've got so far and edit as I go along, will probably change a few too.

Tools:

* Durability -Battling Nelson
* Hand Speed - Meldrick Taylor
* Foot Speed - Muhammad Ali
* Reflexes - Roy Jones Jr
* Size & Build
* Stamina - Rocky Marciano
* Athleticism - Roy Jones Jr
* Overall Talent - Eder Jofre

Skills:

* Head Movement
* Body Movement - Pernell Whitaker
* Footwork
* Defense - Nicolino Locche
* Ring Generalship - Carlos Monzon
* Body Punching - Carlos Palomino
* Balance - Pernell Whitaker


Styles:

* Boxing Ability

* Swarming Ability - Joe Frazier
* Slugging Ability - George Foreman
* In-Fighting Ability - Roberto Duran
* Mid-Range Ability - Joe Louis
* Long-Range Ability - Thomas Hearns
* Counterpunching Ability - Wilfred Benitez


Punching and Dodging:

* Overall Strength -
* One-Punch Power - Julian Jackson
* General Punch Power -
* Accuracy - Joe Louis
* Timing -
* Straightness of Punches - Alexis Arguello
* Variety of Offensive Arsenal - Sugar Ray Robinson
* Dodging - Nicolino Locche


Punches:

* Left Hook - Joe Frazier
* Right Hook
* Left Cross
* Right Cross
* Left Straight
* Right Straight - Tommy Hearns
* Overhand - Tim Witherspoon
* Uppercut - Rid**** Bowe
* Jab - Sonny Liston


Mental:

* Mental Strength
* Chin
* Endurance
* Heart - Joe Frazier
* Desire
* Killer Instinct - Joe Louis
* Work Rate
* Intimidation - Sonny Liston


Extras:

* Pre-Fight Mind Games - Muhammad Ali
* In-Fight Mind Games - Jack Johnson
* Media Savvy
* Charisma - Sugar Ray Leonard

Thanks, those are nice and complete answers which I would call solid.

I don't know enough about the older fighters (really before the 60's) to judge all time, but I'll do post-1960 for these ones.
Tools:

• Durability: Marvin Hagler
• Hand Speed: Meldrick Taylor
• Foot Speed: Muhammad Ali
• Reflexes: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Size & Build: Juan Urango (Weird, I know, but he looks like a Light Heavyweight at Junior Welter)
• Stamina: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Athleticism: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Overall Talent: Roy Jones, Jr.

Skills:

• Head Movement: Pernell Whitaker
• Body Movement: Pernell Whitaker
• Footwork: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Defense: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Ring Generalship: Roberto Duran
• Body Punching: Gerard McClellan
• Balance: Manny Pacquiao

Styles:

• Boxing Ability (BOXING skills – people good at boxing, e.g. Mayweather, Whitaker): Floyd Mayweather
• Swarming Ability (SWARMING skills – people good at swarming, e.g. Dempsey, Tyson): Mike Tyson (Honorable Mention: Manny Pacquiao)
• Slugging Ability (SLUGGING skills – people good at slugging, e.g. Foreman, McClellan): George Foreman
• In-Fighting Ability: Roberto Duran
• Mid-Range Ability: Mike Tyson
• Long-Range Ability: Muhammad Ali
• Counterpunching Ability: Floyd Mayweather

Punching and Dodging:

• Overall Strength: George Foreman
• One-Punch Power: Julian Jackson
• General Punch Power: Thomas Hearns
• Accuracy: Felix Trinidad
• Timing: Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
• Straightness of Punches: Don't Know
• Variety of Offensive Arsenal: Manny Pacquiao
• Dodging: Pernell Whitaker

Mental:

• Mental Strength: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Chin: Marvin Hagler
• Endurance: Antonio Margarito
• Heart: Evander Holyfield
• Desire: Julio Cesar Chavez
• Killer Instinct: Roberto Duran
• Work Rate: Antonio Margarito
• Intimidation: Sonny Liston

Extras:

• Pre-Fight Mind Games: Muhammad Ali
• In-Fight Mind Games: Roy Jones, Jr.
• Media Savvy: Sugar Ray Leonard
• Charisma: Muhammad Ali

Thanks, you're the first person to give an answer for every category although you didn't attempt the seperate punch categories. For the Post-1960s era, these are solid choices, although mine date back to about 1920 (Dempsey and later); I don't really rate people before that because I believe that before that Boxing was genuinely evolving at a fast rate, while there has been less of that in the last 40 years or so. Therefore, Jack Johnson wouldn't stand a chance against modern-day Heavyweights, but Joe Louis could beat most or all of them.

[$Bullsfam$]

Tools:
Durability: Sugar Ray Robinson
Hand Speed: Sugar ray Robinson
Foot Speed: Pernell Whitaker
Reflexes: Pernell Whitaker
Size & Build: Bernard Hopkins
Stamina: Joe Calzaghe
Athleticism: Floyd Mayweather
Overall Talent: Floyd Mayweather


Skills:
Head Movement: Pernell Whitaker
Body Movement: Pernell Whitaker
Footwork: Pernell Whitaker
Defense: Floyd Mayweather
Ring Generalship: Bernard Hopkins
Body Punching: Miguel Cotto
Balance: Pernell Whitaker


Styles:
Boxing Ability:Floyd Mayweather
Swarming Ability: Mike Tyson
Slugging Ability: Arturo Gatti
In-Fighting Ability: Joe Frazier
Mid-Range Ability: Ray Leonard
Long-Range Ability: Pernell Whitaker
Counterpunching Ability: Floyd Mayweather


Punching and Dodging:
Overall Strength: Ernie Shavers
One-Punch Power: Mike Tyson
General Punch Power: Mike Tyson
Accuracy: Floyd Mayweather
Timing: Bernard Hopkins
Straightness of Punches: Floyd Mayweather
Variety of Offensive Arsenal: Sugar Ray Robinson
Dodging: Pernell Whitake

Punches:
Left Hook: Joe Frazier
Right Hook: Mike Tyson
Right Cross: Bernard Hopkins
Right Straight: Tommy Hearns
Left Uppercut: Zab Judah
Right Uppercut: Rid**** Bowe
Left Jab: Winky Wright
Right Jab: Sonny Liston

Mental:
Mental Strength: Muhammad Ali
Chin: Ali
Endurance: Ali
Heart: Joe Frazier
Desire:Miguel Cotto
Killer Instinct: Mike Tyson
Work Rate: Paul Williams
Intimidation: Mike Tyson

Extras:
Pre-Fight Mind Games: Muhammad Ali
In-Fight Mind Games: Pernell Whitaker
Media Savvy: Muhammad Ali
Charisma: Muhammad Ali

[frankenfrank]

Tools:

• Durability
  H2H : McCall , P4P : Toney
• Hand Speed
  Roy Jones
• Foot Speed
  Manny Pacquiao
• Reflexes
  Roy Jones
• Size & Build
  Build : Jersey Joe Walcott , Frank Bruno , Evander Holyfield
• Stamina
  Muhammad Ali , Rocky Marciano , Larry Holmes
• Athleticism
  Roy Jones , Ray Leonard
• Overall Talent
  James Toney

Skills:

• Head Movement
  James Toney
• Body Movement
  James Toney
• Footwork
  
• Defense
  Chris Byrd , Ronald Wright
• Ring Generalship
  Ali , Roy Jones
• Body Punching
  Vassily Jirov , Mike McCallum
• Balance

Styles:

• Boxing Ability (BOXING skills – people good at boxing, e.g. Mayweather, Whitaker)
• Swarming Ability (SWARMING skills – people good at swarming, e.g. Dempsey, Tyson)
• Slugging Ability (SLUGGING skills – people good at slugging, e.g. Foreman, McClellan)
• In-Fighting Ability
  Hagler , Toney , Holyfield , Hopkins
• Mid-Range Ability
  Tyson , Tua
• Long-Range Ability
  Lewis , Hearns , Wladimir Klitschko
• Counterpunching Ability
  Roy Jones

Punching and Dodging:

• Overall Strength
  H2H : Foreman
• One-Punch Power
  H2H : Tua
  P4P : Julian Jackson
• General Punch Power
  H2H : Foreman , Tua , Tyson ,
  P4P : Pacquiao , Hagler , Jackson ,
• Accuracy
  Toney , Montell Griffin
• Timing
  Roy Jones
• Straightness of Punches
  H2H :Vitali , Wladimir , Lewis , Ali , Holmes ,
  P4P : Toney , Griffin , Qawi , Shavers
• Variety of Offensive Arsenal
  Tyson , Toney , Bowe
• Dodging
  Toney , Byrd , Orlin Norris (I haven't seen Whitaker , Locche and Floyd fight yet , but also remember that while Norris and Byrd avoided big opponents' which may not have been fast , they were much heavier themselves than the
  expected choice for a defensive wizard)

Punches:

• Left Hook
  Tua
• Right Hook
• Left Cross
• Right Cross
  Toney
• Left Straight
• Right Straight
  Shavers
• Left Uppercut
• Right Uppercut
  Lewis , Bowe , Tyson
• Left Jab
  H2H : Vitali Klitschko , Wladimir Klitschko , Lewis , Holmes , Ali
  P4P : Toney , McCallum , Griffin
• Right Jab
  Wright
• Overhand
  Toney

Mental:

• Mental Strength
  Holyfield , Toney
• Chin
  McCall , Toney
• Endurance
  Ali
• Heart
  Holyfield , Toney
• Desire
  Holyfield
• Killer Instinct
  Tyson , Foreman
• Work Rate
  Frazier
• Intimidation
  Foreman , Tyson

Extras: Sylvester Stalone by far :yep:

• Pre-Fight Mind Games
• In-Fight Mind Games
• Media Savvy
• Charisma

The last few wouldn't make much of a difference to fights but they can definitely help.

[GameGod]

I've just added 6 Mental fields: Consistency, Hard Training, Conditioning, Mental Game (meaning how hard they think and strategize in the ring), Game Planning (how good their game plans for each opponent are, and how well they stick to this plan) and Trainer Bonus (how well they listen to what their trainers have to say and adapt to that).
I've also added 3 Skill fields: Longevity (how well they can maintain a high level of ability into their mid-to-late thirties), Use of Reach Advantage and Use of Height Advantage.

I've also added one Extra field: PPV Buys (meaning how many PPV buys the fighter did compared over eras, so that inflation is compensated for in your analysis).

What do you guys think of me adding fields outside the fighter's immediate control but which do effect their careers and statuses, such as Adversary (who the fighters' great opponents, which help them define their greatness, are - e.g. for Ali, there was Frazier and Foreman; just give the one fighter of all-time P4P who you would call the best "adversary" and put him here), Trainer (the best trainer of all-time), etc.? I would add these if you said they were good ideas.

Tools:

• Durability
  H2H : McCall , P4P : Toney
• Hand Speed
  Roy Jones
• Foot Speed
  Manny Pacquiao
• Reflexes
  Roy Jones
• Size & Build
  Build : Jersey Joe Walcott , Frank Bruno , Evander Holyfield
• Stamina
  Muhammad Ali , Rocky Marciano , Larry Holmes
• Athleticism
  Roy Jones , Ray Leonard
• Overall Talent
  James Toney

Skills:

• Head Movement
  James Toney
• Body Movement
  James Toney
• Footwork
  
• Defense
  Chris Byrd , Ronald Wright
• Ring Generalship
  Ali , Roy Jones
• Body Punching
  Vassily Jirov , Mike McCallum
• Balance

Styles:

• Boxing Ability (BOXING skills – people good at boxing, e.g. Mayweather, Whitaker)
• Swarming Ability (SWARMING skills – people good at swarming, e.g. Dempsey, Tyson)
• Slugging Ability (SLUGGING skills – people good at slugging, e.g. Foreman, McClellan)
• In-Fighting Ability
  Hagler , Toney , Holyfield , Hopkins
• Mid-Range Ability
  Tyson , Tua
• Long-Range Ability
  Lewis , Hearns , Wladimir Klitschko
• Counterpunching Ability
  Roy Jones

Punching and Dodging:

• Overall Strength
  H2H : Foreman
• One-Punch Power
  H2H : Tua
  P4P : Julian Jackson
• General Punch Power
  H2H : Foreman , Tua , Tyson ,
  P4P : Pacquiao , Hagler , Jackson ,
• Accuracy
  Toney , Montell Griffin
• Timing
  Roy Jones
• Straightness of Punches
  H2H :Vitali , Wladimir , Lewis , Ali , Holmes ,
  P4P : Toney , Griffin , Qawi , Shavers
• Variety of Offensive Arsenal
  Tyson , Toney , Bowe
• Dodging
  Toney , Byrd , Orlin Norris (I haven't seen Whitaker , Locche and Floyd fight yet , but also remember that while Norris and Byrd avoided big opponents' which may not have been fast , they were much heavier themselves than the
  expected choice for a defensive wizard)

Punches:

• Left Hook
  Tua
• Right Hook
• Left Cross
• Right Cross
  Toney
• Left Straight
• Right Straight
  Shavers
• Left Uppercut
• Right Uppercut
  Lewis , Bowe , Tyson
• Left Jab
  H2H : Vitali Klitschko , Wladimir Klitschko , Lewis , Holmes , Ali
  P4P : Toney , McCallum , Griffin
• Right Jab
  Wright
• Overhand
  Toney

Mental:

• Mental Strength
  Holyfield , Toney
• Chin
  McCall , Toney
• Endurance
  Ali
• Heart
  Holyfield , Toney
• Desire
  Holyfield
• Killer Instinct
  Tyson , Foreman
• Work Rate
  Frazier
• Intimidation
  Foreman , Tyson

Extras: Sylvester Stalone by far :yep:

• Pre-Fight Mind Games
• In-Fight Mind Games
• Media Savvy
• Charisma

The last few wouldn't make much of a difference to fights but they can definitely help.

For the Extras, I meant for boxers, not for film-makers.
Also, what difference does Head-to-Head make? What does that even mean in the context of this?
Oh, wait; if Head-to-Head means in terms of raw ability (not Pound-for-Pound), then I think I should just clarify that we're looking for the top Pound-for-Pound in each category, not Head-to-Head (if this is the meaning of H2H).