Higher ATG: Rocky Marciano or George Foreman?

[McGoorty]

Its definetly George Foreman, destrying Frazier and Norton is above anything Marciano has on his resume, he came back at 45 to become the oldest man to win the heavyweight championship, if Marciano fought in Foreman's era he would have losses to Ali, possibly Frazier and definetly Foreman, I rate quality of opposition and H2H over 49-0 records.

Foreman was way bigger than them, he was supposed to beat them,,, bad luck Joe, but you picked Foreman as an opponent only because he was a supposed bum,... well he wasn't, and he towered over Frazier,... the question about Foreman Frazier should be who was better P4p...... Marciano was just a CW, but he was HW champ and has an untouchable record,....... Foremans record is not untouchable..... hence my position.

[McGoorty]

But its so clear in my head...well actually in the version in my head fraizers head comes clean off but still....i can easily see fraizer beating marciano just like many people could easily see louis beating schmelling the first time but just like louis with his left after the jab you got fraizer untucking his chin and dropping his guard when he bob's...but marcianos firing off alot harder rights then schmelling ever could plus the force of fraizer bobbing into the fist would compound everything directly into putting him out cold all in one hit...

though agreeing to disagree is fine as well.

Good post, U agree with you.

[McGoorty]

Its definetly George Foreman, destrying Frazier and Norton is above anything Marciano has on his resume, he came back at 45 to become the oldest man to win the heavyweight championship, if Marciano fought in Foreman's era he would have losses to Ali, possibly Frazier and definetly Foreman, I rate quality of opposition and H2H over 49-0 records.

You mean the oldest man to win a PART of the world title, and against a far lesser opponent than a Marciano.

[kendom]

Foreman was way bigger than them, he was supposed to beat them,,, bad luck Joe, but you picked Foreman as an opponent only because he was a supposed bum,... well he wasn't, and he towered over Frazier,... the question about Foreman Frazier should be who was better P4p...... Marciano was just a CW, but he was HW champ and has an untouchable record,....... Foremans record is not untouchable..... hence my position.

Yes but Foreman faced better opposition than Marciano, 49-0 isnt that impressive to me, undefeated means untested. Besides Foreman deserves to be rated higher because he beat him, whats the point of fighting? is it not to see who the better fighter is?

[fitefanSHO]

Tough call.

Undefeated record vs Two Time Champion who made the greatest comeback in boxing history. When I think about strictly in terms of how they should be rated, I give the edge to Rocky but when I think about them fighting, it's hard not to imagine George winning.

Add Marciano vs Foreman to my "Title Bout" queue.

[IronDanHamza]

I have Foreman ranked higher.

[McGoorty]

Yes but Foreman faced better opposition than Marciano, 49-0 isnt that impressive to me, undefeated means untested. Besides Foreman deserves to be rated higher because he beat him, whats the point of fighting? is it not to see who the better fighter is?

And I still say that MOORE, CHARLES, and WALCOTT were GREAT FIGHTERS, you are doing them great disservice, they were just as great as Frazier an Norton ( how can you call Norton better fighter than the great Ezzard Charles ????????) ALI Does'nt count as hr KO'd Foreman,....... just because the average HW was smaller then, at least the very good one's. anyway........... Can't you see that Marciano was smaller than his opposition, it's all relative......... Are we going to denigrate Ali in 90 years when the HW champion is 12 feet tall and weighs 659 KILOGRAMS,..... Oh remember those silly old bastards who used to talk about that Puny Klitschko and Muhammad ALI dude, man my 9 foot tall 8 year old would crush those guys, what with our Nano-Tecnology and Bionic power run bodies............................................ .......lol........................................ ..................---------------- Here is the guy who never ducked an opponent and fought EVERYBODY IN THE DIVISION and Knocked out 42 fighters out of 49 wins,......... He was the HW king as long as he wanted it (4 years and plenty defences, he didn't lose his title in his 2nd or 3rd defence, no he beat everybody, and half of that 49 were as good as Moorer at HW... ...... Foreman is one of my favorite's too, but Rocky was the better fighter P4P,,......... and the QUESTION this thread asked was P4P,... not head to head.

[McGoorty]

Tough call.

Undefeated record vs Two Time Champion who made the greatest comeback in boxing history. When I think about strictly in terms of how they should be rated, I give the edge to Rocky but when I think about them fighting, it's hard not to imagine George winning.

Add Marciano vs Foreman to my "Title Bout" queue.

I just did Foreman vs Dempsey,............. Jack won the decision............ that Dempsey sure was Good...

[fitefanSHO]

Can't you see that Marciano was smaller than his opposition, it's all relative......... Are we going to denigrate Ali in 90 years when the HW champion is 12 feet tall and weighs 659 KILOGRAMS,..... Oh remember those silly old bastards who used to talk about that Puny Klitschko and Muhammad ALI dude, man my 9 foot tall 8 year old would crush those guys, what with our Nano-Tecnology and Bionic power run bodies. Foreman is one of my favorite's too, but Rocky was the better fighter P4P,,......... and the QUESTION this thread asked was P4P,... not head to head.

IMO, because Heavyweight is weight unlimited, it's not inappropriate to match heavyweights head-to-head (as they actually were) across generations when wondering how they would do against eachother. It's one thing to wonder how a 135 lb Roberto Duran might do against a 175 pound Michael Spinks in a P4P dream matchup but heavies are what they are and Marciano was as small as a heavyweight could be without being a Cruiserweight. So when I imagine Marciano against Foreman or even against a Klitschko, I imagine the fight and consider the result based on their actual sizes, and actual skills.

[Greatest1942]

Its definetly George Foreman, destrying Frazier and Norton is above anything Marciano has on his resume, he came back at 45 to become the oldest man to win the heavyweight championship, if Marciano fought in Foreman's era he would have losses to Ali, possibly Frazier and definetly Foreman, I rate quality of opposition and H2H over 49-0 records.

I rate Walcott and Charles over Norton...

Marciano is a better match up vs Ali than Foreman.

Against top 2 opponents Rock is 9-0, Foreman is 4-3. Considering how long he fought I would say that George was extremely cautious.

Anyways Foreman himself beat Frazier and Norton...got beaten By Ali and Young. Did not fight Quarry or Shavers (he beats those two in my book)...In my book the Rock beats Frazier and Norton too. Later on Foreman could have fought Holmes but did not..if Foreman beat Ali he would be indisputably better but he lost to Ali and Young

Foreman did beat Peralta a good light heavy whom he could not KO the first time, but Marciano beat Moore who was better. I dont favour many of teh guys Foreman beat to win vs Moore, Frazier and may be Norton and thats it.

Savold, Layne are good wins...they were ranked contenders...Layne was 34-1 when he fought Rocky...May be if Rocky struggled against Layne he would be considered better.

I dont see how Foreman was so far above Marciano.