Higher ATG: Rocky Marciano or George Foreman?

[Spartacus Sully]

George foreman was a giant oaf who for the most part after 1970 gave up boxing in favor of spinning people in circles till they were dizzy then pushing them down.

george foreman shouldnt even be compared to marciano.

[JAB5239]

George foreman was a giant oaf who for the most part after 1970 gave up boxing in favor of spinning people in circles till they were dizzy then pushing them down.

george foreman shouldnt even be compared to marciano.

You don't think Foremans wins over Peralta, Chuvalo, Kirkman, Frazier, Norton and Lyle are impressive? I love Marciano, but I don't think he would have been undefeated had he fought these guys. I'd easily pick Frazier over him and see him having trouble with both Norton and Chuvalo, possibly losing. Jmo.

[Spartacus Sully]

You don't think Foremans wins over Peralta, Chuvalo, Kirkman, Frazier, Norton and Lyle are impressive? I love Marciano, but I don't think he would have been undefeated had he fought these guys. I'd easily pick Frazier over him and see him having trouble with both Norton and Chuvalo, possibly losing. Jmo.

he was actually boxing vs chuvalo so that was decent but the rest not so much though i do need to watch some of them.

fraizer is not beating marciano. hes going to bob directly into a wound up right. with fraizers head movement and lack of guard hes going to be out cold first or second round. chauvalo would be like walcot for the most part maybe not quite as fast and as good of a jab/guard. and i havnt watched enough of norton to make an educated decision but im sure marciano could take him.

[Suckmedry]

Foreman is higher ranked, and h2h it would be murder.

[JAB5239]

he was actually boxing vs chuvalo so that was decent but the rest not so much though i do need to watch some of them.

fraizer is not beating marciano. hes going to bob directly into a wound up right. with fraizers head movement and lack of guard hes going to be out cold first or second round. chauvalo would be like walcot for the most part maybe not quite as fast and as good of a jab/guard. and i havnt watched enough of norton to make an educated decision but im sure marciano could take him.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the outcome of a Frazier-Marciano fight my man.

[Spartacus Sully]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the outcome of a Frazier-Marciano fight my man.

But its so clear in my head...well actually in the version in my head fraizers head comes clean off but still....i can easily see fraizer beating marciano just like many people could easily see louis beating schmelling the first time but just like louis with his left after the jab you got fraizer untucking his chin and dropping his guard when he bob's...but marcianos firing off alot harder rights then schmelling ever could plus the force of fraizer bobbing into the fist would compound everything directly into putting him out cold all in one hit...

though agreeing to disagree is fine as well.

[GameGod]

Foreman and Marciano are definitely both Top 20 Heavyweights on any list, with Foreman probably being inside the Top 15 or maybe the Top 10 (I have him at #11) and Marciano being slightly further behind at #14. I place Marciano right behind Joe Frazier, in the opinion that they were similar but Frazier's intangibles would give him a slight edge in addition to being "slightly better" at just about everything.

Foreman achieved more (though Marciano is also very impressive), and would easily also win in a one-on-one match. Frazier had lasted six knock-downs and entered Round 2; Marciano would probably go down for the last time after four (or possibly five) knock-downs, probably early in Round 2 (at about 0:40).

[McGoorty]

Foreman achieved more.

Has a better resume with fighters closer to their prime. Ability wise Prime Foreman is better.

I totally disagree man, Resume give me a rest, I go on their records and what I've seen,.. George had many advantages, but NO WAY is he rank-able next to Marciano as a great, if George vis able to beat Rocky it would be size only that did it. Walcott, Charles and Moore were great fighters,.... Walcott was a nobody at 30 he became a somebody late, the 42 year old Joe KILLS the 30 year old version,,, he was ar his peak when Rocky beat him. Marciano's 49 - 0 is completely unparralled, for god's sake he was taken the full 15 rds only Once,....... some people go around saying that Charles was a bum HW then proceed to rank him Top 20 ?????..... make up your minds, when my mate see's some of the posts here,... HE WILL give you a piece of his mind......... Foreman is a great HW, but his legacy is short of Rocky......... He was the most well conditioned HW to ever live, the most durable, the best work ethic of any champion in the division,.... he is a goddamn legend, THE BEST KO ARTIST in HW history PERIOD, p4p he beats Foreman and is good enough to go 15 or even 20 rounds with him head to head,....... and look out George if you haven't put him away by the 7th, because if this fight goes anywhere near the late rounds,.... big George'll be on his way for a stint in Hospital..... Come on Rocky fans, where are you.

[McGoorty]

Foreman and Marciano are definitely both Top 20 Heavyweights on any list, with Foreman probably being inside the Top 15 or maybe the Top 10 (I have him at #11) and Marciano being slightly further behind at #14. I place Marciano right behind Joe Frazier, in the opinion that they were similar but Frazier's intangibles would give him a slight edge in addition to being "slightly better" at just about everything.

Foreman achieved more (though Marciano is also very impressive), and would easily also win in a one-on-one match. Frazier had lasted six knock-downs and entered Round 2; Marciano would probably go down for the last time after four (or possibly five) knock-downs, probably early in Round 2 (at about 0:40).

But we're talking greatness aren't we, how does Foreman's record compare to Rocky's,,,,,,,. .......Foreman knocks out Ali in Zaire,...... then that would be greater, but George didn't, that's one loss. the HWs of the late 60's and 70's were a lot bigger than Rocky,.... in other words there's a perfectly legitimate reason if Foreman beats Rocky, but if Rocky beats George, what is the reason........... all that would happen around here, would be people calling Foreman the biggest bum of the lot. Nothing Rocky did, or does would ever stop his deniers,..... they have made their minds up that anybody could have got a 49-0 and beat such no-hopers like Walcott or Charles. I was always told that Rocky only beat nobodies. Then I saw the fights and I thought, Darn that Walcotts good, and he was, he had maybe the Greatest left hook of any HW to ever lived,...... What I saw in the Marciano fights blew me away........ Effectiveness is better than prettyness, Iv'e seen hundreds of speedy flashy big mouths,... but I've only EVER SEEN ONE MARCIANO.

[kendom]

Its definetly George Foreman, destrying Frazier and Norton is above anything Marciano has on his resume, he came back at 45 to become the oldest man to win the heavyweight championship, if Marciano fought in Foreman's era he would have losses to Ali, possibly Frazier and definetly Foreman, I rate quality of opposition and H2H over 49-0 records.