The Magic Man's Top 10 P4P ATG of ALL TIME

[Cassius Liston]

I hope i never have to read another word you type on this website.......Calzaghe is a ****ing joke......please refrain from mentioning his name on a boxing website....you are such an idiot...i love how all your fighters are practically still active ...lol he's better than floyd huh...you're obviously Welsh..people that fanboy fighters because of where they are from are not real fans in my eyes...they're bandwagon ******s...

Boy T

[Real King Kong]

I hope i never have to read another word you type on this website.......Calzaghe is a ****ing joke......please refrain from mentioning his name on a boxing website....you are such an idiot...i love how all your fighters are practically still active ...lol he's better than floyd huh...you're obviously Welsh..people that fanboy fighters because of where they are from are not real fans in my eyes...they're bandwagon ******s...

Boy T

while i'm not a calzlaghe fan myself...he will be in the hall of fame. he may slap like a ***** but he's far from a joke.

[Toney616]

That's impressive considering Roy Jones Jr. debuted two years after Hagler retired.

Roy has a time machine

[Toney616]

5. Roy Jones Jr. - Freak athlete, afraid of British people was his only downfall. had he fought Benn or Collins or Eubank or beaten a joe calzaghe then he would be higher, but unfortunately he never did.

The Benn fight fell through because of King

The Collins fight fell through because Jones decided to unify the lhw belts instead i.e he fought Reggie Johnson instead of Collins. HBO were not interested in a Collins-Jones fight either

Eubank wasnt interested in a Jones fight, he even says so in his autobiography

Calzaghe was a relative unknown (in America) fighting in another division

1. Joe Calzaghe- 46-0, over 20 title defenses. Didnt go down until his mid 30's. wins over legends Hopkins, Jones, and Eubank. Wins over Kessler, Lacy and Veit all guys who were very very good. Joe was the best.

Calzaghe resume isnt that good, you cannot be serious about having him at no 1?

[Cassius Liston]

while i'm not a calzlaghe fan myself...he will be in the hall of fame. he may slap like a ***** but he's far from a joke.

i know he's not a joke...but he's no where near what people think he is...he shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence as Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather in terms of ability ..let alone p4p rankings

[r.burgundy]

According to emanuel steward Wlad has some of the best foot speed hes seen and as for hand speed... name me one guy Wlad's size with better hand speed, or Vitali...Vitali keeps his left at his freaking knee, if he was slow and had bad hand speed how would he survive?

I dont see how Hagler could fight off a hungry Joe Calzaghe, a fearless warrior like Joe, who could never be stopped, 45 people tried, none made it. Often fighters had their entire careers wrecked by Calzaghe. More myth than man, he took on all comers, threw punches constantly, laughed at his opponents futile attempts to beat him off. I like Hagler and SRL, but you cant debate the fact that SRL ended Haglers career.

Hagler does have a victory over Roy jones though, which is why hes in my top 10 P4P ATG OF ALL TIME list.

Let me guess your list has guys like ali, jack johnson, sonny liston, roberto duran, sugar ray robinson, archie moore, Joe Louis, maybe a joe frazier, a JCC or Camacho etc... If you really went WILD, you might have Tyson or Holyfied, Bhop, maybe even Marciano... Ive seen it a thousand times dude. Youre brainwashed, wake up, any p4p list featuring Ali is automatic trash. Dude struggled all the time with guys wo wouldnt even fight in his weight class today. Jack Johnson? would be Ko 1'ed by either Klitschko. Sonny Liston...ok 1 hitter quitter, fights rigged, fought mostly cruisers. On and on, these guys cant stack up against a man today.

Also how can you have a p4p atg list of All time and NOT have joe calzaghe or Floyd Mayweather? Uhh...theyve never been beat, never even really been in trouble.

on that note

[Joeyzagz]

1. Joe Calzaghe- 46-0, over 20 title defenses. Didnt go down until his mid 30's. wins over legends HOpkinds, Jones, and Eubank. Wins over Kessler, Lacy and Veit all guys who were very very good. Joe was the best.

2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Whats there to say that hasnt been said? Hes the man. Hard to put him number 2, but I just dont see a way that his style could match up with the southpaw dragon.

3. Vitali Klitschko- I love him, you love him, we all love him. Never been down, never finished a match behind on the score cards. A freak of nature.

4. Wladimir Klitschko- could overtake his bro someday. The more athletic brother, but with an acchilles heal called his chin. Hes learned to hide it and avoid punches to it.

5. Roy Jones Jr. - Freak athlete, afraid of British people was his only downfall. had he fought Benn or Collins or Eubank or beaten a joe calzaghe then he would be higher, but unfortunately he never did.

6. James Lights Out Toney- The beast

7. Lennox Lewis- Contrary to reports, the man didnt have that bad of a chin, watch the first round vs. Briggs. He took the mans best shots. I dont know how much he sparred, but in his 2 ko's he looked more stunned. In round 4 vs. Briggs he has felt the mans shots and stands there smiling at him. Big strong and skilled. No HW before his time would have stood much of a chance.

8. SRL- Had all the skills, was quick, the best of his time for sure, the boxing game has just passed his time up by a little bit.

9. Bad Chad Dawson- A man like Bad would murder an old timer like Marciano with speend and precision. He needs some better competition, but who knows how high or low he has to go to find it.

10. Marvin Hagler- A great great fighter who like SRL has just been a little bit passed by

Honorable mention -Pernell Whitaker, Paul Williams, Shane, JCC, and Erik Morales.

I like your number 1 pick

But ranking Vitali over Lennox is easily the most nuthuggerish thing you can do on this forum. Vitali was at the top physical prime of his career when he failed to put away Lennox.

Do you understand? His BEST was not good enough to beat another man's worst! Pathetic.

[TheMagicMan]

Hagler does have a win over Roy Jones...not sure wtf you guys are talking about. (pay attention to what I call the RJJ who lost to Cal and who Hagler has a win over pls). Also my list is perfect. and anyone who said Im from Wales? im from the home of Buster Douglas you dumb bastard. Columbus, Ohio. I just know the best when I see it. The best is Calzaghe. I know it, you know it, 45 people who felt his wrath know it.

[DR.ORGYY]

No pac????????? Ahahahahahhahaha!!!!!!!!

[Joeyzagz]

I know plenty about boxing history, let me ask you this. When you look down the greatest basketball players of all time, how many could play today? Or football players, you think Johnny Unitas, even his numbers, hold up today? This is a factual list, not some fantasy list where 5'9 182 pounders with no technique could beat a Klitschko. This is a real world list. I live in the real world. and operate in it as such. These are the 10 best fighters of all time, who if you put them in a ring against people their weight class, theyd perform the best. Im not taking into account for his time or what not.

This is not a real world list...

Vitali couldnt handle an old version of Lennox, let alone a prime one. If this list were truly based on reality and actual ring events Lennox > Vitali.

I understand the logic of rating Joe over Roy because Joe beat Roy, and they were only 3 years apart in age.

But Vitali failed to beat Lennox with a 6 year age advantage! WTF are you smoking to rank that confirmed steroid user over the guy who beat him?