The Magic Man's Top 10 P4P ATG of ALL TIME

[BennyST]

Here is why I rate Vit higher. He hasnt been KO'ed unlike Lennox and that fight wasnt Vitali's height. Vit is such a hard worker, such a brilliant guy who follows scripts perfectly.

Yes, he has. Lewis stopped him. He busted up his face so bad he could not continue. In boxing that is called a TKO and is the same as a knock out. You get punched and fall over and cannot continue, that is a knock out. You get hurt and the ref deems you unable to continue, that is a knock out, you get your face so badly mangled you cannot continue that is a knock out.

Obviously we can talk over the semantics of the words 'knock out' but in all reality when you get stopped by punches, even though there are various ways of being stopped, it is still just that: A stoppage loss.

If you want to call only that in which someone doesn't get up by ten a knock out, then very few people in boxing ever get knocked out.

[cameronpaul]

how about a slightly better p4p list

this is a list of skills and ability, and who had the most:

1.sugar ray robinson - easily the greatest of them all, no more needs to be said
2.mike tyson - in my opinion best heavy weight of all time, not saying he wouldnt of lost a few fights but i believe he would beat the most heavy weights in the fastest time if 100 of the best faught eachother.
3.roberto duran -in many peoples eyes the greatest ever lightweight, also any lightweight that can stand toe to toe with hagler and call him a ***** is a hard, hard man.
4.james toney - never have i seen a fighter make other fighters look so bad. how many guys can come up from middle, then make hollyfield look bad and ko him in 9 rounds.
5.roy jones - mr untouchable,
6.manny
7.floyd
8.marvelous marvin hagler - watch hagler vs john mugabe
9.george foreman - arguably the scariest man to enter a boxing ring - tyson was scared to fight him when he was nearly 50 and tyson was still young.
10.edwin valero - just liked to see the man fight

i dont know much about boxing, but i know what i like to see, and these are the guys who bring the most excitment for me.

side note - i dunno how so many so called boxing fans call ali the greatest, if theres one thing i know about boxing, its that he wernt even close to being the greatest. his lucky to be in top 20 of any p4p list. all ali was a tough tough cookie.

[Toney616]

how about a slightly better p4p list
this is a list of skills and ability, and who had the most:

This is the best criteria to use, imo

1.sugar ray robinson - easily the greatest of them all, no more needs to be said
2.mike tyson - in my opinion best heavy weight of all time, not saying he wouldnt of lost a few fights but i believe he would beat the most heavy weights in the fastest time if 100 of the best faught eachother.
3.roberto duran -in many peoples eyes the greatest ever lightweight, also any lightweight that can stand toe to toe with hagler and call him a ***** is a hard, hard man.
4.james toney - never have i seen a fighter make other fighters look so bad. how many guys can come up from middle, then make hollyfield look bad and ko him in 9 rounds.
5.roy jones - mr untouchable,
6.manny
7.floyd
8.marvelous marvin hagler - watch hagler vs john mugabe
9.george foreman - arguably the scariest man to enter a boxing ring - tyson was scared to fight him when he was nearly 50 and tyson was still young.
10.edwin valero - just liked to see the man fight

Good list

[TheMagicMan]

how about a slightly better p4p list

this is a list of skills and ability, and who had the most:

1.sugar ray robinson - easily the greatest of them all, no more needs to be said
2.mike tyson - in my opinion best heavy weight of all time, not saying he wouldnt of lost a few fights but i believe he would beat the most heavy weights in the fastest time if 100 of the best faught eachother.
3.roberto duran -in many peoples eyes the greatest ever lightweight, also any lightweight that can stand toe to toe with hagler and call him a ***** is a hard, hard man.
4.james toney - never have i seen a fighter make other fighters look so bad. how many guys can come up from middle, then make hollyfield look bad and ko him in 9 rounds.
5.roy jones - mr untouchable,
6.manny
7.floyd
8.marvelous marvin hagler - watch hagler vs john mugabe
9.george foreman - arguably the scariest man to enter a boxing ring - tyson was scared to fight him when he was nearly 50 and tyson was still young.
10.edwin valero - just liked to see the man fight

i dont know much about boxing, but i know what i like to see, and these are the guys who bring the most excitment for me.

side note - i dunno how so many so called boxing fans call ali the greatest, if theres one thing i know about boxing, its that he wernt even close to being the greatest. his lucky to be in top 20 of any p4p list. all ali was a tough tough cookie.

I like your style, Id replace SRR with Joe Calzaghe though. SRR got like 200 wins fighting maintenance men and janitors. One of his fights was against a 63 year old, semi ******ed guy who had never boxed before, he just walked in the ring. The dude literally didnt even have gloves on, SRR just went over and hit him, and knocked him out and it counted as win. Valero is an interesting choice as well, one of those enigma guys who no one really knows how good he is.

As for the person saying Hagler has a win over Roy Jones...its called a joke? I tell a lot of them, try to follow along. He does have a win over Roy Jones though, thats just a fact, its not arguable. I know more about RJJ's rap career than you know about boxing in total. Like I couldnt care less who jack johnson fought or if he has a win over Lucky larue or anything like that. That stuff aint boxing.

And as for the younger guy always beating the older guy, come on thats just ******. First of all, everyone knows that Fraziers sole goal in his career was to beat Ali, he did, and he never was the same fighter again, won 5 of his last 10 fights. He got complacent. Also Lewis was the HW champion, somethign that 90% of the old guys in your list were not. They were old washed up bums wheeled out there to add legitimacy to a younger fighter, not to really be a challenge.

If youre going to fight a HW championship fight, you will prep differently, VItali is smarter than Lewis, he prepares better and he trains harder. Also Vitali wasnt stopped, Vitali got up from his corner and wanted to fight so bad, look at Lewis's eyes, he was terrified. He fled the sport out of fear of Vitali Klitshcko. Did you see the punch that opened the cut? uhh that wasnt a good hit, that was a fluke graze that pulled the skin. Vitali deserved a one round warning at least before the fight was stopped, you know, something that tons of guys in their careers have received and whose careers would be a lot different without. Then Lewis fled the sport, retired, hid out in a bomb shelter for a few years scared. I heard he offered his wife to Vitali just so Vitali would stop calling him out.

[SBleeder]

how about a slightly better p4p list

this is a list of skills and ability, and who had the most:

1.sugar ray robinson - easily the greatest of them all, no more needs to be said
2.mike tyson - in my opinion best heavy weight of all time, not saying he wouldnt of lost a few fights but i believe he would beat the most heavy weights in the fastest time if 100 of the best faught eachother.
3.roberto duran -in many peoples eyes the greatest ever lightweight, also any lightweight that can stand toe to toe with hagler and call him a ***** is a hard, hard man.
4.james toney - never have i seen a fighter make other fighters look so bad. how many guys can come up from middle, then make hollyfield look bad and ko him in 9 rounds.
5.roy jones - mr untouchable,
6.manny
7.floyd
8.marvelous marvin hagler - watch hagler vs john mugabe
9.george foreman - arguably the scariest man to enter a boxing ring - tyson was scared to fight him when he was nearly 50 and tyson was still young.
10.edwin valero - just liked to see the man fight

i dont know much about boxing, but i know what i like to see, and these are the guys who bring the most excitment for me.

side note - i dunno how so many so called boxing fans call ali the greatest, if theres one thing i know about boxing, its that he wernt even close to being the greatest. his lucky to be in top 20 of any p4p list. all ali was a tough tough cookie.

Ali, well past his prime, beat the piss out of a prime Foreman... and yet you have Foreman on your list.

Tyson? You even said that Tyson was scared to fight Foreman. How could the greatest heavyweight be afraid of an old man? Ali ducked no one and beat the best. Tyson beat up tomato cans.

I'm not even going to start with Mayweather or Pacquiao.

[SBleeder]

As for the person saying Hagler has a win over Roy Jones...its called a joke? I tell a lot of them, try to follow along. He does have a win over Roy Jones though, thats just a fact, its not arguable.

WTH are you talking about?

[TheMagicMan]

Ali, well past his prime, beat the piss out of a prime Foreman... and yet you have Foreman on your list.

Tyson? You even said that Tyson was scared to fight Foreman. How could the greatest heavyweight be afraid of an old man? Ali ducked no one and beat the best. Tyson beat up tomato cans.

I'm not even going to start with Mayweather or Pacquiao.

Uhh Ali beat the "piss out of Foreman" really? Cause I watched that fight, looked to me like Foreman was beating up Ali quite a bit in the fight. Ali was allowed to do his usually gay **** of clinching, pushing down on the back of the head of his opponent, headbutting, laying on the ropes oh and fixed judges...

Did you know that one of the judges in Ali Foreman was ****** and had Foreman winnin 0 rounds? Shocking huh? Did you know Foreman clearly got up in the 8th, but was still counted out? Shocking huh?

Foreman knew, his trainers knew, there was one way he'd get a fair shake and that was by KO'ing Ali, that was it. The ref was apart of it, how many times should Ali at least have been warned about pulling down on Foremans head and neck, come on, thats bull**** and you know it. The fight was rigged, oh and Ali ducked a rematch, he ducked a rematch with Young. He also waited until guys were coming off of losses in that year to fight them. Oh and the judging in Alis fights was a joke, I mean please tell me how Ali Norton 1 is a split decision? How someone thought Ali won?

You shouldnt be on a p4p list if youre as big of a joke as Ali

[GameGod]

As for the person saying Hagler has a win over Roy Jones...its called a joke? I tell a lot of them, try to follow along. He does have a win over Roy Jones though, thats just a fact, its not arguable.

Funny, that. Your post didn't seem to be very funny. No, you were presenting Hagler defeating Roy Jones as fact. Whether you conveniently "forgot", genuinely forgot, or simply did not know that it was Roy Jones Jr., instead of just Roy Jones, I think you need to make it a little clearer when you present a joke. I don't think anybody thought that was a joke (after all, if Hagler had beaten Jones Jr., that would be his most impressive victory).

I know more about RJJ's rap career than you know about boxing in total. Like I couldnt care less who jack johnson fought or if he has a win over Lucky larue or anything like that. That stuff aint boxing.

There you go again, mouthing off and making statements about your boxing knowledge without any evidence. Well, let me ask you this: do you think you know more about boxing than all of the people who have posted in this thread put together? Because I have yet to find anyone who agrees with your belief that elder fighters were weaker.

Let me sum that up: my knowledge is untested so far on this thread (that is to say, I haven't made any objective mistakes). On the other hand, you have made a definite, genuine, objective error which is revealing of your lack of knowledge. Therefore (based at least on what we have seen in this thread) I have superior boxing knowledge to you.

[TheMagicMan]

Funny, that. Your post didn't seem to be very funny. No, you were presenting Hagler defeating Roy Jones as fact. Whether you conveniently "forgot", genuinely forgot, or simply did not know that it was Roy Jones Jr., instead of just Roy Jones, I think you need to make it a little clearer when you present a joke. I don't think anybody thought that was a joke (after all, if Hagler had beaten Jones Jr., that would be his most impressive victory).



There you go again, mouthing off and making statements about your boxing knowledge without any evidence. Well, let me ask you this: do you think you know more about boxing than all of the people who have posted in this thread put together? Because I have yet to find anyone who agrees with your belief that elder fighters were weaker.

Let me sum that up: my knowledge is untested so far on this thread (that is to say, I haven't made any objective mistakes). On the other hand, you have made a definite, genuine, objective error which is revealing of your lack of knowledge. Therefore (based at least on what we have seen in this thread) I have superior boxing knowledge to you.

This thread is in the boxing history section, most of these people have to get their great grand kids to help them log onto the internets. Ask them who would win, Klitschko vs. Braddock and I bet theyd all pick Braddock...why? Because they live in the past. Look im sure they have a lot of knowledge on who Jack dempsey fought in his 4th match etc...I dont care, explain this.

Swimming is virtually the same sport as its always been, correct? Same strokes, tight suits, yes I know suit technology has improved, but many swimmers wear drag suits throughout the season and only put on sharkskins etc...at the big meets. Clearly more people swam from 1930-1976 combined than do today right? Well the consolation heat at the Big Ten conference meet, every single one of them broke the 1976 50 freestyle record. Every single one. A highschooler broke the 50 freestyle record of that time by almost 3 seconds...Michael Phelps, who submits to olympic style drug testing, beat every single swimming world record from 5 days before, in practice...wearing board shorts.

[TheMagicMan]

And as for Roy Jones...first of all im a RJJ historian, second of all if I really thought RJJ lost to Hagler,w hy would I have him ahead of Hagler, not mention it and say I felt RJJs only downfall was his fear of the British? Doesnt make much sense. Also did you read the title of the thread, I like to have fun while talkking trash.