Joe Frazier Had a Glass Chin?

[Vadrigar.]

You avoided my point twice. I'll repeat it yet again: this poll is about Frazier's chin. Not what everyone thinks the requirements for a knockout are. Try not to avoid it a third time.

Apparently you have never watched a single boxing match in your life (including Frazier vs Foreman I) and only use false intellect to sum up your opinions.

Floyd Patterson is another heavyweight that is considered to have a glass jaw. He's never been "knocked out" by your definition, yet he's tasted the canvas more than any other heavyweight champion and got back up.

If he doesn't have a glass jaw, why was he knocked down so many times and why does everyone call him a glass-jawed fighter?

I'll repeat again:

The question of frazier's chin is related to the George Foreman fight. Most posters on this history section/NSB have probably seen it. Hence they draw their own conclusions.

Sonny Liston Ko'd Floyd Patterson twice.

He got up six times against one of the hardest hitters in history. A glass jaw can only dream of doing that.

[nightowl]

I'll repeat again:

The question of frazier's chin is related to the George foreman fight. Most posters on this history section/NSB have probably seen it. Hence they draw their own conclusions.

Sonny Liston Ko'd Floyd Patterson twice.

He got up six times against one of the hardest hitters in history. A glass jaw can only dream of doing that.

No matter how many times you repeat that statement, you're still avoiding my point.

Patterson was up on his feet after the fight ended.. how could he have gotten knocked out?!?!

Aren't fighters who get knocked out never supposed to be able to stand up, if the fight is over?!?!

He also got knocked down six times in two rounds. An average-chinned fighter laughs at that.

[BigStereotype]

I'm still waiting for you to show me that quote where I said Frazier, Norton and all the similar opponents Ali and Foreman fought were bums. Don't duck me like Fedor does with every good fighter in his terrible "sport".

6 fights = majority of his career? Let alone the first part of his career?

You're not very good at this, are you?

Worst. Post. Ever.

Edit: On a reading of the entire thread, I can pretty safely say this is the worst, most circular thread I've ever seen. It is clear that you guys disagree. You say the same things over and over and over, not even bothering to rephrase. Don't you think that if the other guy was going to change his mind, he would have after the first fifteen times? Goddammit, agree to disagree, it's allowed. You're making too much a distinction between "below average" and "glass." It's a semantics difference that makes the two of you look like ******s, and worse than that, ******s who think they're better than everyone.

[Vadrigar.]

No matter how many times you repeat that statement, you're still avoiding my point.

Patterson was up on his feet after the fight ended.. how could he have gotten knocked out?!?!

Aren't fighters never supposed to be able to stand up, if the fight is over?!?!

He also got knocked down six times in two rounds. An average-chinned fighter laughs at that.

I'm not avoiding your point. I've already explained it to you about the poll:

The question of frazier's chin is related to the George Foreman fight. Most posters on this history section/NSB have probably seen it. Hence they draw their own conclusions.

In that particular situation Floyd Patterson was Ko'd because he couldn't beat the count. you can't really compare that with the frazier-foreman fight, where frazier was much more resilient than Patterson.

When did I say fighters are never supposed to be able to stand up?

A glass chinned fighter can only dream of getting up six times against George foreman.

[frankenfrank]

Frazier didn't have a glass chin but he did have a suspect chin , about average , you could expect him to get hurt and lose his balance when hit , so simple , not only against Foreman but against Bonavena twice and even early against Quarry and even did not face Ron Lyle , Mac Foster and Earnie Shavers and despite it he was down about as many times as Patterson , Louis and Moorer .
He did get up from his knockdowns , so his chin was not glass , but imagine him against , say , Oleg Maskaev's opposition , and Frazier didn't even fight until the late age Maskaev has fought.
So Frazier's prowess was not his chin , I do rank him in my all time top 20 HW , however , despite him being actually a 200 lbs CW , and yes , I know he was obese as a teenager , but look at his fighting weights.

[Miburo]

It's a semantics difference that makes the two of you look like ******s, and worse than that, ******s who think they're better than everyone.

I'm presuming you're referring to me since what you quoted was a response to my post. Don't bring me into this and insult me, especially by saying I was trying to make some claim to being better. It's circular because of his refusal to acknowledge the actual points made rather than superficial details, and because I chose to play with the troll and bothered to continue to respond for the lulz. I don't have any strong conviction/vested in this thread topic period.

[Vadrigar.]

"Nope, you're still avoiding it. Their conclusions are about Frazier's chin. Not what they perceive as a knockout.

Oh.. he didn't beat the count, so THAT's a knockout. I guess Marciano vs Louis, Ali vs Williams, Hearns vs Duran, Tyson vs Holmes, and Jones vs Tarver II should be erased from the history book of knockouts, right?

Do they also dream about getting knocked down six times in two rounds?"

It's a shame you don't have the mental capacity to distinguish between a KO and a TKO.

Try harder.

Something for you to think about:

User JAB5239:"You've also ducked the question about Vitaly's TKO loss to Lewis. Did you consider him to be knocked out even though he was ready, willing and able to keep fighting when the doctor stopped the fight?"

Are you going to answer anytime soon?

[Vadrigar.]

OP has been updated

[Spartacus Sully]

Frazier didn't have a glass chin. False assumption made in your argument there. Prove it don't assume it.

Im pretty sure i had allready proved it in that fraizer left half of his composure on the ground after the first kd in the foreman fight. while your still going off about the end of the fight and how he was still awake

2. knock out - knock unconscious or senseless; "the boxing champion knocked out his opponent in a few seconds"

when he was allready knocked senseless 5 mins, 4 mins, 3 mins, 2 mins, and 1 min earlier.

how about you prove he didnt have a glass chin with some fights he got kd in but still won?

im sure any one with a glass chin could pull it off once, twice with some luck, but 3? not happening for some one with a glass jaw. sooooo how about you site 3 fights that fraizer got kd atleast once in but still won?

[Vadrigar.]

"Im pretty sure i had allready proved it in that fraizer left half of his composure on the ground after the first kd in the foreman fight. while your still going off about the end of the fight and how he was still awake" - Nope, stop exaggerating. He was able to recover and continue. Glass chins don't recover against devastating punchers.

"when he was allready knocked senseless 5 mins, 4 mins, 3 mins, 2 mins, and 1 min earlier." - Why have you been tripping lately?

"how about you prove he didnt have a glass chin with some fights he got kd in but still won?" - Prove that he was hurt by a feather-fisted fighter.

im sure any one with a glass chin could pull it off once, twice with some luck, but 3? not happening for some one with a glass jaw. sooooo how about you site 3 fights that fraizer got kd atleast once in but still won? - lol, No. A glass chin would be shattered by 1-2 uppercuts by George foreman