What would Prime Tyson vs Prime Tua be like?

[Vadrigar.]

Well , I did.
Damn , someone cover that parrot's cage.

No you didn't.

Once again I state: provide evidence that my avatar has to do with my posts on this thread.

[frankenfrank]

"If you could survive one or two rounds with me, which would be alotta pain and heartbreak in your life cause, not only would I just hurt you for those few rounds, I'd do damage do your body, your brain.

-George Foreman,1991 during his comeback

The old version of Foreman would've defeated any version of Tyson, and any version of Holmes.

I am not sure about either one , especially Tyson whom had a better chin and power than Frazier's , he had a worse stamina , but was Foreman's stamina good enough to test it ? I think not.
Remember Frazier went down twice against Bonavena , Tyson would have never gone down against such (physically) a fighter , it just puts Foreman's achievements against Frazier in perspective. Frazier was also hurt early against Quarry.

[frankenfrank]

No you didn't.

Once again I state: provide evidence that my avatar has to do with my posts on this thread.

you flush it with your excessive postage .

[Vadrigar.]

you flush it with your excessive postage .

You're making the assumption that the evidence was there, something which you cant do. You have to actually bring the evidence, not assume it.

[SplitSecond]

did i just get red k'd for my opinion in a fantasy fight?

i hadn't realised this fight had happened, who ever heard of upsets

[frankenfrank]

You're making the assumption that the evidence was there, something which you cant do. You have to actually bring the evidence, not assume it.

I won't search all of your 3k spam posts just to bring you the evidence , get over it.

[Vadrigar.]

I won't search all of your 3k spam posts just to bring you the evidence , get over it.

Then your claim is BS without it. Get over it.

[Toney616]

So Sanders is not a journeyman and Rahman whom stopped Sanders and Lewis is a journeyman ?

Alright, I change my stance they are ALL journeyman/not very good fighters etc etc

That version also outpointed Dominick Guinn and stopped Evander Holyfield whom may have been shot , but fact he fought on years later.

That Toney was 20 lbs heavier than the Toney who fought Holyfield. Either way history shows that Toney should of stayed at CW

And even gave troubles and lasted the distance twice with a prime Sam Peter.

He beat Peter the first time but was throughly dominated in the second fight

I am not saying Moorer is even a top 30 HW all time , but he was a fine HW.

It was over with the Holyfield I fight, the fact that he didnt even seem to be that motivated when fighting for the hw championship over the world. Teddy also knew that, he then cherrypicked a 45 year old and look what happened. He would also lose badly to Holyfield as well

Ruiz , Moorer , Obed Sullivan , Darroll Wilson , Gary Bell were stopped in 1 round only by Tua. In fact all of Ruiz's , Moorer's and Sullivan's other stoppage losses were not even close to 1 round.

Tua is also the quickest to stop Nate Tubbs.
And I forgot to add Dannell Nicholson to Tua's list of stoppage victories.

Ruiz was stunned by a mw(jones) and koed by a cw(Haye)
Moorer has been koed a number of times and is a naural lhw
The rest of the guys you mentioned are just not very good

didn't know this argument is about excitement

I dont rate him because he is boring, ducked Byrd, refused to give Mercer a rematch and wanted nothing to do with Vitali. The dude took Tyson to court forcing him to challenge him for his belt even when Tyson said he wasnt ready for him. He also had a chance to fight Ike as well but looked the other way. I like the way you ignored by other two points as well

Tua's problem in that fight was his over training which reflected in his weight which was so low (for him)

Maybe maybe not, he was also starting to lose focus as well

So Tua fades less than other heavies, it was my point really.
How many fighters did Tyson stop late , and were they of any better quality than Tua's late stoppages ?

None worth mentioning

So what do you think Tyson did with his other trainers , scratched his balls ?
Do you think he and Freddie Roach played Street Fighter together ?

He was basically training himself after Rooney, he never really listened to Giachetti as shown during the Ruddock fights. Jay bright was a abysmal trainer and didn't know anything about boxing
Also is that the same Roach that didn't even know where Tyson was during training camp, because he was off partying all the time?

Spinks , Holyfield1 , Douglas , Bruno 1,2 , Berbick , Smith , Buster Mathis jr. , Frazier jr. , Seldon , Tillman (both amateurs and the pro fight) , Orlin Norris ,
and a few more which I forgot against whom.

Only 3 of those fights were during his prime, try to focus on those

So a prime Tyson (whom never lost according to your definition) is the Tyson of less than half of his important fights , amazing.?

Dude you think you are being clever, but you are the one who doesnt know what he is talking about. How can a fighter still be prime when their skill set has serious decreased? Also are you saying because he had a lot of important fights later on in his career that means he still must of been prime?

Damn, the Tyson of the Fergusson fight seems unstoppable.

Yeah lets talk about Tyson's 18th pro fight when he was still a green contender. That has a lot to do with this thread, right?

Not according to your twisted definition[, I do agree with you about Lewis , but again , Lewis is 1 year older than Tyson.

Out of interest tell me when Tyson was in his prime, then give your definition of prime

Now you are just trolling with this:
Tyson's skill set decreased after Rooney
He went to prison for 3.5 years
Went into prison again for about another 6-12 months.
Took recreational drugs and anti depressant medication between fights

But all of that doesnt matter because he was still 1 year younger than Lewis that never went through the same stuff

Ruiz , Moorer and Maskaev all had belts btw.

So because a fighter has a belt, that makes him a top fighter? Bruce Seldon was a great fighter wasnt he?

Other top fighters , except of Rahman , Byrd , Lewis and Ibeabuchi avoided Tua. Ibeabuchi was not considered a top fighter when he faced Tua , but was he any less dangerous than Ray Mercer and Bruce Seldon ?
Everyone with a little functioning brain knows Tua would have devoured them.

It doesnt matter the facts show that when Tua fought elite fighters he couldnt ko them

The best fighters Tyson faced stopped him .

It is impossible for you to focus on the period 86-88 isnt it?

So suddenly you change your opinion about how Byrd lasted Tua ?

Byrd was giving up over 15 lbs, what did you expect him to do, trade with a guy who has one punch ko power? Byrd basically stood in front of Tua and used his ability to slip, block and roll with punches to defend himself. At times he was against the ropes and then he would get of them and go back into the centre of the ring, where he would use his pawing jab as a range finder for his straight lefts

No I havent, what did you expect Byrd to do go all Hagler-Hearns on Tua? He stood in front of him and boxed

Also in case you didnt notice it but the thread starter was talking about Tyson from the 80's (when he was considered prime), the time period you refuse to talk about

80's Tyson vs Tua from the Ruiz Massacre.

I know everyone will say Tyson wins, but how?

Tua took everything Ibeabuchi and Lewis had and never really even looked hurt, so i doubt mike blasts him out.

Tua can hit as hard as Tyson can, and is fast too, he has a better chin and is physically and mentally stronger.

Tua will still be there late in the fight giving Tyson hell

how does this fight play out?

[Toney616]

So what do you think Tyson did with his other trainers , scratched his balls ?
Do you think he and Freddie Roach played Street Fighter together ?

"Mike boxed for the first three minutes," Roach says. "Then he gave up."

Roach hoped that that humiliation would make Tyson train diligently. And for a while the fighter did, meeting Roach for roadwork at 5:30 a.m., showing up for every workout, scrapping his entourage. He even reperfected the left jab-pivot-left hook, a combination he used in the late 1980s when he was training with Kevin Rooney. "I was getting through to Mike," Roach insists. "He obeyed my orders."

A moment of truth came one day during a sparring session. In the final round, Tyson suddenly bent over and vomited. "After Mike was done puking, I told him to finish the round," recalls Roach. "He glared at me and said, 'F—- you.' I said, 'No, f—- you, Mike. Let's finish.' " Tyson did. "If you let Mike be the bully, he will," Roach says. "Don't give Mike control, and he'll give you respect."

For a while, maybe. On Sunday and Monday, while promoters debated whether to cancel the fight, Roach knew less about Tyson's status than a fan browsing the Web. Finally, Roach reached Tyson, who told him he had the flu and planned to pull out. The fight was dead. Roach would receive nothing. Then Tyson mumbled a few words of thanks and hung up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...8085/index.htm

[DRALLBYMYSELF]

Tyson would have wuhpped Tua like a little school girl.