Roberto Duran VS Julio Caesar Chavez

[Scott9945]

well, theres a few things to consider.

1. Chavez was starting to fade by that point in his career.(You would HAVE to say that Whitaker was closer to his prime than Chavez was, at least)
2. Chavez was moving up to Welterweight
3. Whitaker didnt necessarily 'beat' Chavez on the inside: Whitaker was smart. He would grab and shoeshine Chavez a little, limiting Chavez's offensive attack, because Chavez would be more concerned to keep the fight in that area than doing damage, since Whitaker was extremely hard to beat on the outside because of his jab.
and despite the fact that Whitaker clearly deserved the win, its not like Whitaker dominated Chavez that bad. In reality the fight was around 116-112 or so.

and Duran was a different mindset than Whitaker. He had no problem whatsoever fighting on the inside, and enjoyed it. Also he rarely actually 'kept people off', if anything he invited them in a lot because his style was based off of counter punching...and he also was an excellent infighter.

and I dont think it would be necessarily 'close' scorecard wise, I dont see Chavez winning more than 3 rounds actually(12 round fight). But the action between the two would not reflect any domination at all: it would be a two way fight where Duran just happened to have the upper hand in most the rounds, where every round would be competitive.

That sounds like a reasonable scenario. JCC would be competitive for sure.

[RubenSonny]

well, theres a few things to consider.

1. Chavez was starting to fade by that point in his career.(You would HAVE to say that Whitaker was closer to his prime than Chavez was, at least)
2. Chavez was moving up to Welterweight
3. Whitaker didnt necessarily 'beat' Chavez on the inside: Whitaker was smart. He would grab and shoeshine Chavez a little, limiting Chavez's offensive attack, because Chavez would be more concerned to keep the fight in that area than doing damage, since Whitaker was extremely hard to beat on the outside because of his jab.
and despite the fact that Whitaker clearly deserved the win, its not like Whitaker dominated Chavez that bad. In reality the fight was around 116-112 or so.

and Duran was a different mindset than Whitaker. He had no problem whatsoever fighting on the inside, and enjoyed it. Also he rarely actually 'kept people off', if anything he invited them in a lot because his style was based off of counter punching...and he also was an excellent infighter.

and I dont think it would be necessarily 'close' scorecard wise, I dont see Chavez winning more than 3 rounds actually(12 round fight). But the action between the two would not reflect any domination at all: it would be a two way fight where Duran just happened to have the upper hand in most the rounds, where every round would be competitive.

I'm not claiming that Chavez hadn't stated to fade but he was still elite and Pea was a very small WW too, give credit where credit is due and I thought it was a dominating performance I think I scored it about 10 rounds to Whitaker maybe 1 of them could of gone either way. There was plenty of infighting in Chavez-Whitaker which Pea got the better of, In fact it was mostly in the pocket with Pea effectively mixing it up, by how I described in my previous post and I've definitely seen Duran fight like that and I would think he would utilise a similar strategy with superior hand speed though to be fair at LW he did commit himself more on the inside.

The bolded is how I see it too.

[joseph5620]

well, theres a few things to consider.

1. Chavez was starting to fade by that point in his career.(You would HAVE to say that Whitaker was closer to his prime than Chavez was, at least)
2. Chavez was moving up to Welterweight
3. Whitaker didnt necessarily 'beat' Chavez on the inside: Whitaker was smart. He would grab and shoeshine Chavez a little, limiting Chavez's offensive attack, because Chavez would be more concerned to keep the fight in that area than doing damage, since Whitaker was extremely hard to beat on the outside because of his jab.and despite the fact that Whitaker clearly deserved the win, its not like Whitaker dominated Chavez that bad. In reality the fight was around 116-112 or so.

and Duran was a different mindset than Whitaker. He had no problem whatsoever fighting on the inside, and enjoyed it. Also he rarely actually 'kept people off', if anything he invited them in a lot because his style was based off of counter punching...and he also was an excellent infighter.

and I dont think it would be necessarily 'close' scorecard wise, I dont see Chavez winning more than 3 rounds actually(12 round fight). But the action between the two would not reflect any domination at all: it would be a two way fight where Duran just happened to have the upper hand in most the rounds, where every round would be competitive.

From what I saw, Whitaker got the better of Chavez on the inside so in that sense he did beat Chavez on the inside. And my scorecard was 9-3 Whitaker. I didn't see it as a close fight at all. I think Duran-Chavez would have had a similar score in favor of Duran. I think Duran's overall skills would have been too much for Chavez although I don't see Chavez coming close to getting stopped.

[joseph5620]

I'm not claiming that Chavez hadn't stated to fade but he was still elite and Pea was a very small WW too, give credit where credit is due and I thought it was a dominating performance I think I scored it about 10 rounds to Whitaker maybe 1 of them could of gone either way. There was plenty of infighting in Chavez-Whitaker which Pea got the better of, In fact it was mostly in the pocket with Pea effectively mixing it up, by how I described in my previous post and I've definitely seen Duran fight like that and I would think he would utilise a similar strategy with superior hand speed though to be fair at LW he did commit himself more on the inside.

The bolded is how I see it too.

True. It's very easy now to talk about how faded Chavez was but at the time he was regarded by most as p4p number one and the favorite to win the fight. He might not have been at his peak but he was close enough to it to make that a superfight. On top of that,the fight was fought with a 145 pound limit. So it's not like Chavez was fighting some huge Welterweight.