Let's Be Real, Floyd Mayweather Would've Beaten Sugar Ray Robinson If They Fought

[GameGod]

I think it would actually be close because Mayweather is a truly special boxer as well. But I don't think he could win entirely and he I would slightly favour Ray Robinson.

Jack Johnson
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano could take at least one from a 3 fight series
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Perhaps Jack Dempsey despite his size
Larry Holmes

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano (1/3)
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes

Here's a corrected version of your list. I'm assuming you mean in any given fight, rather than 1/3, except when mentioned (Marciano). I agree Marciano might take 1 out of 3. But none of the others are winning a random fight. If you want to argue this, I'm up for it.

[StarshipTrooper]

I agree Marciano might take 1 out of 3. But none of the others are winning a random fight. If you want to argue this, I'm up for it.

Unless there's a prohibitive style matchup such as Foreman versus short-armed pressure fighters I tend to think any ATG fighter is capable of beating any other ATG fighter in a one-off fight. I don't buy the notion that an ATG fighter whitewashes another ATG fighter 10 out of 10 times without such a style advantage.

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[The_Demon]

You need to educate yourself on the great sugar ray robinson

[Junito-Rulez]

Wlad couldn't mop the floor with Sanders or Brewster the first time. Hell he struggled and fought scared against crappy ass Ibragimov. Louis would put Wlad in a casket.

Joe louis was basically a CW, didn't have the kind of conditionning program modern athletes like Wlad enjoy. Wlad is ten times the athlete Louis is, hits harder and is much stronger.

What you say is like saying that Fausto Coppi is better than Alberto Contador or that DiStefano would do better than C. Ronaldo in 2010 Madrid.


For the record, i think Joe Louis is a MUCH greater fighter than Wlad Klits.

[JAB5239]

Joe louis was basically a CW, didn't have the kind of conditionning program modern athletes like Wlad enjoy. Wlad is ten times the athlete Louis is, hits harder and is much stronger.

Well you've just proven to me that you have no idea what you're talking about. Louis had no problems beating fighters like Abe Simon, Primo Carnera or Buddy Baer (all around the size of Wlad) and never had a problem going 15 rounds let alone 12. We've seen Wlad gas out on more than one occasion and he doesn't come close to throwing the amount of punches Louis threw in a fight. Think about this, Wlad was rocked by DaVaryll Williams who only weight about 10 more pounds than Louis, and didn't have nearly the skill set nor the knock outs over quality opposition that Louis did. Louis would abuse Wlad and stop him in 3.

[CarlosG815]

I think it would actually be close because Mayweather is a truly special boxer as well. But I don't think he could win entirely and he I would slightly favour Ray Robinson.



Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano (1/3)
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes

Here's a corrected version of your list. I'm assuming you mean in any given fight, rather than 1/3, except when mentioned (Marciano). I agree Marciano might take 1 out of 3. But none of the others are winning a random fight. If you want to argue this, I'm up for it.

Prime Joe Frazier beats Ali the majority of the time. His swarmer, high pressure style is the way to beat Ali. You have to swarm him and pressure him. Tyson could do it better than Joe did and once he caught Ali it would be all over.

George Chuvalo wasn't quick in the hands and was able to land cleanly on Ali over and over - to the head and to the body. Watch round 13 of their first bout and watch Chuvalo land a clean left hook to the head of Ali and follow up with a 1-2-3 to the body. A faster stronger fighter would be able to knock some screws loose, the way Frazier was able to do with his left hook in my sig pic.

Rocky Marciano would probably lose most rounds but has a good chance of scoring a knockout over Ali by constantly pressuring him and throwing hard punches.

Tyson was very good at avoiding punches while moving in close, and throwing deadly combination's with lightning fast speed not to mention he has more power than all the fighters listed above, I think it would only be a matter of time before he caught Ali with something vicious and put him away. Ali could dance for a while but once he caught him it would be bad things for Ali.

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Prime Joe Frazier beats Ali the majority of the time. His swarmer, high pressure style is the way to beat Ali. You have to swarm him and pressure him. Tyson could do it better than Joe did and once he caught Ali it would be all over.

George Chuvalo wasn't quick in the hands and was able to land cleanly on Ali over and over - to the head and to the body. Watch round 13 of their first bout and watch Chuvalo land a clean left hook to the head of Ali and follow up with a 1-2-3 to the body. A faster stronger fighter would be able to knock some screws loose, the way Frazier was able to do with his left hook in my sig pic.

Rocky Marciano would probably lose most rounds but has a good chance of scoring a knockout over Ali by constantly pressuring him and throwing hard punches.

Tyson was very good at avoiding punches while moving in close, and throwing deadly combination's with lightning fast speed not to mention he has more power than all the fighters listed above, I think it would only be a matter of time before he caught Ali with something vicious and put him away. Ali could dance for a while but once he caught him it would be bad things for Ali.

Interesting take on Tyson-Ali considering Tyson usually folded in front of adversity, and Ali was never stopped in his career.

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I find it hilarious that ppl here think that Mayweather would be a martian skillwise in the 40s. He is one of the most old school fighters of the last 20 years. He fights disciplined and throws every punch perfectly like a textbook. He never rushes anything. He knows a million tricks. Mayweather is not Jones Jr. He is one of the smartest and technically sound boxers to ever grace a ring, qualities which were much more common in the 40s than in the 2000s. Even his training methods. He is basically doing it like an oldtimer putting on very little weight even if the weigh in is the day before.

As for the specific fight. Well, let me see Mayweather beat anything remotely resembling Robinson, before I can even entertain the notion that he can beat him. Mayweather is one of the best fighters I have ever seen. Not the welterweight version of him. Robinson happens to be the consensus best welterweight in history. If you want to propose ATG fantasy fights involving Mayweather, you better pick around 135-140. The only ATG welter I would not necessarily favor against Mayweather, would be Napoles, because he would be the right size.

[ufirst]

Ray would be busier and although maybe not as quick as Floyd he was way too dogged to be deterred by the single and two shot counters Floyd would have to rely on (fragile hands and all). Plus I couldn't see at any point Floyd being able to make Ray fight going backwards-- Floyd edges in defense and most most likely speed/movement- but Ray wins the power (hard combinations and relentlessness) categories, he was no slow poke either and both have great boxing IQs. I think Ray would have had the good sense to target the body as much as Floyd's head--and the ability to land effectively. I dno't think he would stop Floyd though. Decision Ray.

[roxy]

Someone should wait a week or two and post this same poll in the nsb, then we could sit back and laugh at the lack of boxing knowledge and N-hugging that occurs!