A PRIME Holmes vs Tyson

[clinikillz]

I say Tyson by TKO, but Holmes would do a lot better than he did in the '88 fight. Holmes would utilize his jab and keep Tyson off of him for a few rounds, and then Tyson would land one of those lightning-fast hooks and have his way with Holmes until the fight is stopped.

[StarshipTrooper]

not that I'm dis*****g your claim, but in what way would you think Foreman would beat Tyson?

It's suicide for short-armed pressure fighters (is there any other kind of short armed fighter?) to take on Foreman. In Liston you have Foreman with a longer reach and a better jab.....and nearly as much power. Just a bad, bad style matchup: One of the very few I've come across that actually decides a fight.

Poet

[Silencers]

I think Holmes at his best would've been able to beat Tyson at his best.

[them_apples]

It's suicide for short-armed pressure fighters (is there any other kind of short armed fighter?) to take on Foreman. In Liston you have Foreman with a longer reach and a better jab.....and nearly as much power. Just a bad, bad style matchup: One of the very few I've come across that actually decides a fight.

Poet

I think Foreman would beat Tyson due to his huge uppercut, which was Tysons weakness.

I don't think the whole short armed pressure fighter means anything though. For Frazier it was suicide because he was an inside fighter and Foreman kept shoving him outside of his comfort zone. Tyson is a mid range fighter and chances are both foreman and Tyson would share the same comfort zone. I'd see Tyson squaring Foreman with some sharp blows early but then getting caught badly in round 3, finished in round 4 or 5.

[them_apples]

it would be a close fight that could go either way, with the probability of a Tyson ko still as well.

[frankenfrank]

Holmes would give Tyson so much frustration Tyson would quit or foul him. Buster Douglas was not as good as Holmes on a bad night..

Really ? then how you explain both men's outcomes against Tyson ?
And then McCall ?
Against McCall at least you can claim he was old , but just look at what he did years after his loss to Tyson. I rank Holmes above Douglas myself , but no need to exaggerate.

[NChristo]

Holmes would give Tyson so much frustration Tyson would quit or foul him. Buster Douglas was not as good as Holmes on a bad night..

Douglas was a great boxer, just a huge waste of talent because like Rid**** Bowe the man couldn't stay out of the fridge.

On that night where he beat Tyson I'd say he could of gave most HWs a decent fight.

[Toney616]

Really ? then how you explain both men's outcomes against Tyson ?
And then McCall ?
Against McCall at least you can claim he was old , but just look at what he did years after his loss to Tyson. I rank Holmes above Douglas myself , but no need to exaggerate.

You cant use the Tyson Holmes fight as any kind of guage for how a prime Holmes-Tyson plays out for a number of reasons. Holmes was 38 years old, hadn't fought in 2 years and took the fight at 5 weeks notice. Even Tyson said he looked flabby and out of shape. He of course had more time to prepare for his subsequent fights, post Tyson

[frankenfrank]

You cant use the Tyson Holmes fight as any kind of guage for how a prime Holmes-Tyson plays out for a number of reasons. Holmes was 38 years old, hadn't fought in 2 years and took the fight at 5 weeks notice. Even Tyson said he looked flabby and out of shape. He of course had more time to prepare for his subsequent fights, post Tyson

Really ? A man , let alone a 38 and something years old man , takes such a significant and dangerous fight at 5 weeks notice ? And he did know Don King will have the main benefit out of it , didn't he ? so risk your health and legacy and future paydays just for a not too big amount of money ?
Was he that dumb ? of course in a hindsight we know he did get those future paydays , but did he even think about any of these back then ?
did he see just half a step forward ?
but if you are true , then it takes away yet even more out of Tyson's win over him ? and what was Tyson's notice of the fight ? many boxers stay in shape even when they get no notice for a certain fight as they know opportunities might suddenly appear.

[venom1]

hard, tyson?