Why we never saw Tyson-Foreman

[r.burgundy]

I usually enjoy reading your posts and different views Frank but this ?, it's just silly. Tyson wouldn't of gone the distance with Foreman.

you do know prime foreman was put on his seat and hurt by ron lyle,who is not superior to young tyson in any area

[NChristo]

you do know prime foreman was put on his seat and hurt by ron lyle,who is not superior to young tyson in any area

That wasn't a prime Foreman, that much is evident if you just compare that fight to his earlier ones, Tyson was always coming forward which is a death wish for anyone while fighting Foreman.
Lyle used his footwork to stay away from Foremans big swings and waited for an opportunity to hit him, where he hit him with a perfect right straight while Foreman had his hands down, you need more then head movement to avoid Foremans looping hooks and Tyson was not going to dance like Lyle did.

I would say Lyle was superior to Tyson in parrying seeing as Tyson did none.
Also Lyle was 6'3 and has 76" inch, Tyson is 5'10 and has a 72" reach.

Don't compare Lyle to Tyson their styles are completely different.

[r.burgundy]

That wasn't a prime Foreman, that much is evident if you just compare that fight to his earlier ones, Tyson was always coming forward which is a death wish for anyone while fighting Foreman.
Lyle used his footwork to stay away from Foremans big swings and waited for an opportunity to hit him, where he hit him with a perfect right straight while Foreman had his hands down, you need more then head movement to avoid Foremans looping hooks and Tyson was not going to dance like Lyle did.

I would say Lyle was superior to Tyson in parrying seeing as Tyson did none.
Also Lyle was 6'3 and has 76" inch, Tyson is 5'10 and has a 72" reach.

Don't compare Lyle to Tyson their styles are completely different.

sure buddy

[NChristo]

sure buddy

Ah don't know if this is sarcasm or not lol, I'm not saying Lyle was superior to Tyson, Tyson was the much much better of the 2 obviously I'm just saying don't compare the styles , if Tyson fought Foreman instead of Lyle at that time I personally think Tyson would of had a good chance of troubling Foreman (if he fought smart) as well and probably would of done even better then Lyle did, he looked slow and wasn't throwing as well as he usually does and seems like Tyson would of easily got into a comfortable range while ducking Foremans swings.

But as I said before that wasn't prime Foreman.

[frankenfrank]

Ah don't know if this is sarcasm or not lol, I'm not saying Lyle was superior to Tyson, Tyson was the much much better of the 2 obviously I'm just saying don't compare the styles , if Tyson fought Foreman instead of Lyle at that time I personally think Tyson would of had a good chance of troubling Foreman (if he fought smart) as well and probably would of done even better then Lyle did, he looked slow and wasn't throwing as well as he usually does and seems like Tyson would of easily got into a comfortable range while ducking Foremans swings.

But as I said before that wasn't prime Foreman.

Why not a prime Foreman ? he was 27 then.
You know what he did many years later when he was really not prime.
You can say he had an off night , maybe , not that it is true.
This was George Foreman for you.
Frazier went down against Bonavena twice also , do you imagine Tyson going down from a punch like Bonavena had ?
It was more Frazier's chin than Foreman's punching power , not that I underestimate the latter. Foreman is remembered as big especially due to his huge weight , especially during his comeback when he was very fat , and could barely rise from his chair , which is why he did not sit on his stool during breaks in his comeback. Being so fat and weak afoot don't make one a huge puncher. I know he was a big puncher during his prime (first reign) indeed , but Tyson could take punches Frazier could not , and the same can be said about the punches he could give.
Tyson was significantly heavier than Frazier and the difference was not caused by extra fat. It does matter , that's what weight classes are for.

[$Bullsfam$]

Styles make fights and even in the 90's if that fight was made, I think Foreman KO's Tyson. He had a good chin and he was tailor made to beat guys like Fraizer and Tyson.

Would have been a hell of a fight. I wish it happened.

[frankenfrank]

And I can even add that the 27 years old Foreman whom fought Lyle was even less worn than the average 27 years old fighter as he rarely went the distance in his fights , it was definitely a prime Foreman , the thing is , Lyle had a fine chin too , and could punch too , and even his style was not too remote from Foreman's.

[NChristo]

And I can even add that the 27 years old Foreman whom fought Lyle was even less worn than the average 27 years old fighter as he rarely went the distance in his fights , it was definitely a prime Foreman , the thing is , Lyle had a fine chin too , and could punch too , and even his style was not too remote from Foreman's.

Foreman was in his physical prime yes, but he was broken mentally and his style changed significantly, he tried to be a boxer instead of a puncher, he didn't show his ability to cut off the ring as well as he used too, his swings seemed half attempted and he left himself open far too much where as he would of covered up in the past.

IMO Prime is not determined by physical shape (although it obviously plays apart) but by their skills e.g I rate Jersey Joe Walcott and Moore in their primes at their later ages as they developed their styles alot and had developed more mentally, although they wasn't in their physical prime they seemed more comfortable.
Just like Foreman seemed more comfortable and performed better in and before the Ali fight.

[frankenfrank]

Foreman was in his physical prime yes, but he was broken mentally and his style changed significantly, he tried to be a boxer instead of a puncher, he didn't show his ability to cut off the ring as well as he used too, his swings seemed half attempted and he left himself open far too much where as he would of covered up in the past.

IMO Prime is not determined by physical shape (although it obviously plays apart) but by their skills e.g I rate Jersey Joe Walcott and Moore in their primes at their later ages as they developed their styles alot and had developed more mentally, although they wasn't in their physical prime they seemed more comfortable.
Just like Foreman seemed more comfortable and performed better in and before the Ali fight.

So all you can say is Foreman performed wrong but don't blame it on him not being prime because he was totally prime.

[NChristo]

So all you can say is Foreman performed wrong but don't blame it on him not being prime because he was totally prime.

He was physically still fit but that's all that was still "prime" in Foreman during the Lyle fight, he wasn't the George that we seen in the past.

Let's get off this and back on topic of if they both met in their primes.

Do you think that Tyson could stand and trade with Foreman ?, because that's all it really boils down too if they would of met in their prime, Foreman had a much better chin then say Tucker and Smith who went the distance with prime Tyson, what makes you think that if Tyson somehow took Foremans shots he would finish Foreman within the distance ?.