Oscar DeLa Hoya VS Roberto Duran

[CarlosG815]

You don't have the time? You're on here like 24/7, dude. I keep trying to have an intelligent boxing conversation with you and you keep refusing. Calling me ****** and whatnot. How exactly am I ******?

I stay logged on but I am busy with work most of the day and don't have the time to respond to everything.

You want to give a detailed round by round of how the fight would go and it involves DLH just getting destroyed as if he's defenseless against Roberto Duran.

I'm not going to go back and forth and pretend I know how the fight would go round for round as they are both extremely gifted fighters and I believe this fight would be a war and end in a decision, but I don't know exactly how it would go, as you seem to believe you do.

[BigStereotype]

I stay logged on but I am busy with work most of the day and don't have the time to respond to everything.

You want to give a detailed round by round of how the fight would go and it involves DLH just getting destroyed as if he's defenseless against Roberto Duran.

I'm not going to go back and forth and pretend I know how the fight would go round for round as they are both extremely gifted fighters and I believe this fight would be a war and end in a decision, but I don't know exactly how it would go, as you seem to believe you do.

I never said De La Hoya was defenseless, I only said he would stand in front of Duran too much. The way Leonard embarrassed Duran in their second fight was by hitting him and then moving. When he tried to bully him in the first fight, he got beat up. Have you ever seen Oscar actually stick and move on someone? No, he either stalks and crushes or is completely on the defensive, like he was against Tito. That means that this fight would end up on the inside, where Duran really made fighters pay because of his great strength and power. De La Hoya wouldn't want to disengage from the inside and he would get bullied. Now, I don't know round for round or CompuBox numbers or anything like that, but based on their histories, I can think about how the fight is going to go. De La Hoya would make the same mistake that Leonard did in Montreal and I feel like a 135 Duran would make him pay for it that much more. It would be a very exciting fight, but a late round stoppage and one where De La Hoya takes a lot of punishment before he finally is stopped.

P.S. Why do you hate me so bad? I never did anything to you.

[CarlosG815]

I never said De La Hoya was defenseless, I only said he would stand in front of Duran too much. The way Leonard embarrassed Duran in their second fight was by hitting him and then moving. When he tried to bully him in the first fight, he got beat up. Have you ever seen Oscar actually stick and move on someone? No, he either stalks and crushes or is completely on the defensive, like he was against Tito. That means that this fight would end up on the inside, where Duran really made fighters pay because of his great strength and power. De La Hoya wouldn't want to disengage from the inside and he would get bullied. Now, I don't know round for round or CompuBox numbers or anything like that, but based on their histories, I can think about how the fight is going to go. De La Hoya would make the same mistake that Leonard did in Montreal and I feel like a 135 Duran would make him pay for it that much more. It would be a very exciting fight, but a late round stoppage and one where De La Hoya takes a lot of punishment before he finally is stopped.

P.S. Why do you hate me so bad? I never did anything to you.

Number 1, I will get flack for this, but I don't believe personally that SR Leonard is a better fighter than DLH. He may be higher on an ATG list than DLH but better he is not. If he is, then it isn't by much.

#2 I believe that Roberto Duran in his prime is better than Leonard by far. Duran was a well known slob when he wasn't in the ring. Leonard was by far a smarter fighter outside of the ring. He got Duran to take a rematch with little time to get down to 147 when he had ballooned to over 200 pounds. He was tired, drained, and ended up quitting in the middle of the 8th round out of sheer frustration.

Leonard beat his ass but that was not Duran at his best and Leonard tried fighting the wrong fight with Duran in their first matchup, and I don't see DLH fighting Duran the way Leonard did. DLH was great at fighting mid range to outside.

Duran would have a hell of a time with DLH, that I am positive of.

Lastly the reason I don't like you is because you are a kid that likes to ride coat tails of other posters and play cheerleader for guys like Jim Jeffires, Zod and other Euro Huggers, as opposed to watching fights and developing your own opinion. I have seen it too many times from you and it gets old.

If it wasn't for Sonny, I'd be the only person who has the view of Lennox Lewis that I do, and that's ok. I developed my opinion on my own and if I'm the only one with that opinion that's fine - I don't care. I don't agree with people just because they have a high post count and a lot of green K.

[BigStereotype]

Number 1, I will get flack for this, but I don't believe personally that SR Leonard is a better fighter than DLH. He may be higher on an ATG list than DLH but better he is not. If he is, then it isn't by much...Duran would have a hell of a time with DLH, that I am positive of.

Well, I don't agree there. I don't hate De La Hoya like you claim I do, but he's not better than Leonard. Leonard was the bigger puncher (De La Hoya's left hook may have been bigger than any single punch of Leonard's, but overall, Leonard wasn't the heavier-handed fighter), with faster hands, better combinations, more stamina and the same kind of heart and chin. He could box and move or brawl depending on the situation, showing a lot more versatility than I've seen from De La Hoya. At 147, I think Duran DOES have a hell of time with De La Hoya, just because of his speed and power. I still think he wins, but that fight is much closer than the 135 fight we're talking about here and could go either way if De La Hoya has a great night.

#2 I believe that Roberto Duran in his prime is better than Leonard by far. Duran was a well known slob when he wasn't in the ring. Leonard was by far a smarter fighter outside of the ring. He got Duran to take a rematch with little time to get down to 147 when he had ballooned to over 200 pounds. He was tired, drained, and ended up quitting in the middle of the 8th round out of sheer frustration.

Leonard beat his ass but that was not Duran at his best and Leonard tried fighting the wrong fight with Duran in their first matchup, and I don't see DLH fighting Duran the way Leonard did. DLH was great at fighting mid range to outside.

I agree almost 100%. I think that Leonard would have beaten Duran most of the time with that game plan, but it was exacerbated by his poor conditioning. The thing is, I don't see De La Hoya utilizing that game plan. He was a good mid-range fighter, but he welcomed fighters inside, where he wasn't as strong. He'd try to out-macho them on the inside. Against most fighters, he could get away with it. With Duran, that wouldn't happen.

Lastly the reason I don't like you is because you are a kid that likes to ride coat tails of other posters and play cheerleader for guys like Jim Jeffires, Zod and other Euro Huggers, as opposed to watching fights and developing your own opinion. I have seen it too many times from you and it gets old.

If it wasn't for Sonny, I'd be the only person who has the view of Lennox Lewis that I do, and that's ok. I developed my opinion on my own and if I'm the only one with that opinion that's fine - I don't care. I don't agree with people just because they have a high post count and a lot of green K.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not true. I don't really know any of them. If I happen to agree with them, it's because it's from what I've learned and observed. Their post count and Green K doesn't mean that much to me. Can we call off this little e-beef we have?

[CarlosG815]

Well, I don't agree there. I don't hate De La Hoya like you claim I do, but he's not better than Leonard. Leonard was the bigger puncher (De La Hoya's left hook may have been bigger than any single punch of Leonard's, but overall, Leonard wasn't the heavier-handed fighter), with faster hands, better combinations, more stamina and the same kind of heart and chin. He could box and move or brawl depending on the situation, showing a lot more versatility than I've seen from De La Hoya. At 147, I think Duran DOES have a hell of time with De La Hoya, just because of his speed and power. I still think he wins, but that fight is much closer than the 135 fight we're talking about here and could go either way if De La Hoya has a great night.


I agree almost 100%. I think that Leonard would have beaten Duran most of the time with that game plan, but it was exacerbated by his poor conditioning. The thing is, I don't see De La Hoya utilizing that game plan. He was a good mid-range fighter, but he welcomed fighters inside, where he wasn't as strong. He'd try to out-macho them on the inside. Against most fighters, he could get away with it. With Duran, that wouldn't happen.



I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not true. I don't really know any of them. If I happen to agree with them, it's because it's from what I've learned and observed. Their post count and Green K doesn't mean that much to me. Can we call off this little e-beef we have?

I never said you hated DLH, but that your opinion of him leads me to believe that you have not watched enough of him to even make an educated argument.

I never had any e-beef with you, I just call it like I see it. You just so happen to have the same opinion as many of the euro huggers, and I can't help but think you would ride their coat tails in an attempt to get green K from them. If you say that is not true then I retract that opinion.

[BennyST]

Maybe English is different in Australia than it is here, but I don't know how you concluded that I was talking about Hearns power. I was referring to Oscar having "possibly" more power than Duran.

You should really understand what you read before you go off on a rant, because you sound more ****** than you did trying to convince everybody Kostya Tszyu was one of the GOAT.

And I said when Duran fought a talented bigger guy he got destroyed, it was obvious he didn't know how to fight him. Instead of staying low and getting inside, he tried to fight standing straight up from the outside. How was that EVER going to work with a good fighter? You can beat B class fighters that way but not a great fighter.

Benny it's too bad you took all that the wrong way, now we've both wasted time having to reply to nothing's because of a misunderstanding.

I tried to convince people of Tszyu being one of the GOAT did I?

Sure, I guess I might have done just that if we're talking about at 140 where he probably ranks in the top five.

Yeah sure. I see now where I misread it. It's still a ****** post. Oscar is so different form Hearns. His height would not be any problem, his speed wouldn't be a problem and his reach wouldn't be a problem.

He's also not as good a boxer.

The rest of you post is too ****** to respond too. You're comparing Hearns and Oscar again.

[Suckmedry]

At 135, Duran was too seasoned for young Oscar and beats him. Still a decent fight, but Duran is able to get in on him, rough him up and win the rounds.

At 147 with a motivated Duran, this is a great fight. Over 15 rounds, Duran comes home stronger and takes a decision. Over 12...Pretty close, maybe Oscar.

[CarlosG815]

I tried to convince people of Tszyu being one of the GOAT did I?

Sure, I guess I might have done just that if we're talking about at 140 where he probably ranks in the top five.

Yeah sure. I see now where I misread it. It's still a ****** post. Oscar is so different form Hearns. His height would not be any problem, his speed wouldn't be a problem and his reach wouldn't be a problem.

He's also not as good a boxer.

The rest of you post is too ****** to respond too. You're comparing Hearns and Oscar again.

AKA,

Back to the Kostya fanclub with you

[BennyST]

At 135, Duran was too seasoned for young Oscar and beats him. Still a decent fight, but Duran is able to get in on him, rough him up and win the rounds.

At 147 with a motivated Duran, this is a great fight. Over 15 rounds, Duran comes home stronger and takes a decision. Over 12...Pretty close, maybe Oscar.

See, this is the perfect post. Simple, precise and to the point without any wack biased opinion. It is what it is. Carlos: Oscar was a great fighter and at was his best at 147. He wasn't very special at 135 at all to honest. He just looked like a good fighter with speed and a size advantage. That's it.

At 147 he was different. He had seasoned and matured into his greatest period. I see it it being two different fights. It we're talking the Duran at 135, I see Oscar losing an obvious UD and getting a bit of a pasting in the latter rounds.

If we're talking the usual Duran of 147, ie. the one that came in chubby and a little off his timing, then I would see it being a great, hard fight that could be anyone's. If it was the highly motivated Duran that was the same as the 135 version (the Leonard I version) then I see it being a close fight for twelve with Duran winning most rounds (similar to Leonard I but with Duran his rounds more clearly), even though they're close and then pulling away in the championship rounds to again win a clear decision.

The thing is, Oscar is a great fighter but he is like a poor mans Leonard. That means he loses (imo). But (this is for you Carlos), it does not mean he is not a great fighter because he was! He was amazing. He beat Quartey!, Trinidad, Carr and Whitaker (albeit and old version). That is impressive ****! I just don't see how those guys present any of the problems that Duran would, not do I see Duran having any trouble with Oscar, who is (whether you're a big fan or not) a poor mans version of Leonard.

[BennyST]

AKA,

Back to the Kostya fanclub with you

Huh?

I'm lost here mate. I understand that you're trying to have a dig at me, but, I don't really get it.

Where do you rank Tszyu at 140? I don't see him as any type of ATG, apart from in his division in which I believe he is probably top five.

What does 'AKA' mean?