Oscar DeLa Hoya VS Roberto Duran

[BigStereotype]

You want a chuckle, have a look at your tiny penis

You're just a pathetic joke getting all butthurt because a young De La Hoya loses to the best lightweight of all time. De La Hoya gives anyone in history at welterweight a good fight, but he just wasn't experienced or strong enough at lightweight to give Duran any problems.

[CarlosG815]

Ok, I have now seen the most deluded post ever written here. Oscar has more power than Tommy Hearns' right hand?

Duran doesn't know how to fight height, speed, and size even after beating Ray Leonard? He had a bigger size advantage, bigger reach advantage and much more speed than Oscar.

I'm not saying Oscar would lose or Duran would win. I'm not giving any prediction on this fight and the above isn't one, but what you just wrote is the ******est thing I've ever seen written here.

What even makes you slightly justify those statements? Especially the power one. That's funny stuff. Hearns destroys guys from 147 to 200 pounds brutally and knocks out guys that were about as close to unknockoutable as you could get. Oscar knocks out ... Vargas? Who? I don't even know an amazing KO of his that made me think "Now, that's freak power!"?

The even funnier one is the Duran doesn't know how to fight height, speed and size. No, he only spent the second half of his career fighting much bigger guys as a midget fat ass and still beat them. He only beat what is generally considered among the fastest fighters ever and who had a massive size and height advantage over him! Much more than Oscar would.

You didn't think that one through did you?

Maybe English is different in Australia than it is here, but I don't know how you concluded that I was talking about Hearns power. I was referring to Oscar having "possibly" more power than Duran.

You should really understand what you read before you go off on a rant, because you sound more ****** than you did trying to convince everybody Kostya Tszyu was one of the GOAT.

And I said when Duran fought a talented bigger guy he got destroyed, it was obvious he didn't know how to fight him. Instead of staying low and getting inside, he tried to fight standing straight up from the outside. How was that EVER going to work with a good fighter? You can beat B class fighters that way but not a great fighter.

Benny it's too bad you took all that the wrong way, now we've both wasted time having to reply to nothing's because of a misunderstanding.

[CarlosG815]

You're just a pathetic joke getting all butthurt because a young De La Hoya loses to the best lightweight of all time. De La Hoya gives anyone in history at welterweight a good fight, but he just wasn't experienced or strong enough at lightweight to give Duran any problems.

Now you're just cheerleading. You've given your opinion, nobody cares about it and you're not even defending it anymore, you're just doing cheers for others who share your opinion, so why don't you go find something else to do?

I could care less if he wins or loses. The only reason I responded to this thread is because idiots like you saying DLH would get his ass beat, with broken ribs and eye sockets and that he would get creamed.

Those are the only ridiculous statements I've seen in this thread, not the things I've said.

I said I'd give the nod to DLH and defended my position, I have not gotten all offended and freaked out saying DLH would KO Duran and beat the **** out of him and cream him, like some other ****** asses here.

[BigStereotype]

Now you're just cheerleading. You've given your opinion, nobody cares about it and you're not even defending it anymore, you're just doing cheers for others who share your opinion, so why don't you go find something else to do?

I could care less if he wins or loses. The only reason I responded to this thread is because idiots like you saying DLH would get his ass beat, with broken ribs and eye sockets and that he would get creamed.

Those are the only ridiculous statements I've seen in this thread, not the things I've said.

I said I'd give the nod to DLH and defended my position, I have not gotten all offended and freaked out saying DLH would KO Duran and beat the **** out of him and cream him, like some other ****** asses here.

You gave up defending your position to me a while ago. You just said I was trying to turn De La Hoya into Judah. I'd like you to point that out to me, because all I'm saying is that a 24 year old talent gets whooped by the greatest lightweight ever. That's like saying Devon Alexander could beat Sugar Ray Robinson. How likely does that sound to you? I've made my points and you've simply ignored them. I said that De La Hoya fights back, but he's too brave for his own good here.

[CarlosG815]

You gave up defending your position to me a while ago. You just said I was trying to turn De La Hoya into Judah. I'd like you to point that out to me, because all I'm saying is that a 24 year old talent gets whooped by the greatest lightweight ever. That's like saying Devon Alexander could beat Sugar Ray Robinson. How likely does that sound to you? I've made my points and you've simply ignored them. I said that De La Hoya fights back, but he's too brave for his own good here.

You keep talking with such confidence and in so much detail that I'm beginning to believe this fight took place and I missed it, yet you have studied it over and over.

The fact is this fight has never taken place so for you to go on and on as you have speaking as though what you are saying is fact is making you sound ****** and impossible to debate because your argument is strictly "DLH was only a prospect and Duran is the greatest LW of all time."

That doesn't mean DLH just shows up and doesn't fight - He was very good and anything can happen in a fight between two greats. You are writing DLH off as if he is not talented enough to step in with the best the sport has ever spawned and that, to me, is simply not the case.

[GJC]

And I said when Duran fought a talented bigger guy he got destroyed, it was obvious he didn't know how to fight him. Instead of staying low and getting inside, he tried to fight standing straight up from the outside. How was that EVER going to work with a good fighter?

Davey Moore was talented, a little green but talented. That said DLH was a little green at LW too, personally I think that Duran would take him to school.
Don't forget that Duran held his own against Hagler too.
Duran didn't have to neccessarily stay low to work inside as he was as good as anyone at slipping punches.
DLH gets a lot of unwarranted stick in these forums and it isn't a criticism of him to say that he would lose at LW to a LW who in many peoples eyes was the best at that weight in history

[BigStereotype]

That doesn't mean DLH just shows up and doesn't fight - He was very good and anything can happen in a fight between two greats. You are writing DLH off as if he is not talented enough to step in with the best the sport has ever spawned and that, to me, is simply not the case.

I've made my points and you've simply ignored them. I said that De La Hoya fights back, but he's too brave for his own good here.

Do you even read my posts or are you too busy checking out those fishnets?

Let's break this down.

Power - Duran takes a clear edge here. De La Hoya is a very good puncher, but Duran is so strong at lightweight. His impressive KO record speaks for itself here, really.
Hand Speed - Duran was quick, but I'd be ****** not to give this to De La Hoya. His hand speed, especially at the lower weights, was something else.
Mobility/Defense - This one goes to Duran too. He was such a skilled defender and while De La Hoya wasn't clueless on the defensive, he wasn't as sharp coming in as Duran was.
Chin - Again, De La Hoya represents here as he is a tough son of a *****. But Duran's toughness was something else. And before you bring up Thomas Hearns again, we're talking about lightweight here. He could take a tremendous beating there if he had to.
Heart - This one goes to De La Hoya. I never saw him quit, he was a warrior through and through.
Ring Experience - Duran BY FAR. De La Hoya had a few fights at 135, but it was really Duran's bread and butter. Even if you forgot about everything after his move to Welter, he's still a walk-in Hall of Famer.

De La Hoya is a great fighter. I've never said otherwise. But he's still pretty green at 135 and he'd be fighting an animal in Duran. He wouldn't quit, but Duran would beat him up something fierce. It happens to talented fighters who don't know how to quit against a force they can't contain. Look at Chavez-Taylor, I'd say you have a similar match-up here. Just because Duran beats him and probably stops him late, does not mean he's not a great fighter. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

[CarlosG815]

Davey Moore was talented, a little green but talented. That said DLH was a little green at LW too, personally I think that Duran would take him to school.
Don't forget that Duran held his own against Hagler too.
Duran didn't have to neccessarily stay low to work inside as he was as good as anyone at slipping punches.
DLH gets a lot of unwarranted stick in these forums and it isn't a criticism of him to say that he would lose at LW to a LW who in many peoples eyes was the best at that weight in history

Not sure I would compare Davey Moore to DLH in terms of skill. DLH even when green was still composed and very good, whereas when Duran fought Moore for the title you could see how scared and shaken he was. I've never seen DLH like that. Moore had the same look on his face that Tyson's opponents had.

He doesn't have to stay inside, but if you can't get close enough to land cleanly on your opponent, how do you hit him without getting inside?

It's not a criticism to say he would LOSE (which is very very possible), but to say he'd get battered with broken ribs and eyesockets and get KO'd is totally disregarding him as having great defense and a granite chin, and just an overall very skilled FIGHTER, as he could throw down with the best of them.

My problem isn't with people saying he would lose, it's the fashion they claim he loses that tells me they have the wrong idea of DLH.

Yeti is such a ****** ass in one breath he calls DLH great, then goes on to say he'd get annihilated by Duran and then KO'd.

To each his own but I just don't see how that happens and I've watched every last DLH fight, and I doubt Yeti has seen but a few.

[CarlosG815]

Do you even read my posts or are you too busy checking out those fishnets?

Honestly I really don't. I skim through it but I don't read every last word of your nonsense. What is quoted above is all I read of this post because I don't have the time respond to anymore of your nonsense.

[BigStereotype]

Honestly I really don't. I skim through it but I don't read every last word of your nonsense. What is quoted above is all I read of this post because I don't have the time respond to anymore of your nonsense.

You don't have the time? You're on here like 24/7, dude. I keep trying to have an intelligent boxing conversation with you and you keep refusing. Calling me ****** and whatnot. How exactly am I ******?