Joe Calzaghe's Greatness?

[bklynboy]

Originally Posted by r.burgundy
hopkins isnt a top 20 atg??wow.so being the best mw champ in history doesnt get you top 20?

It does but he isn't

That was good. :-)


r.burgundy -- I don't think Hopkins is close to being in the TOP 20 of All-Time.
TOP 20 of the last 40 years -- yeah he has a good shot.

[r.burgundy]

It does but he isn't

well then who is?

[r.burgundy]

That was good. :-)


r.burgundy -- I don't think Hopkins is close to being in the TOP 20 of All-Time.
TOP 20 of the last 40 years -- yeah he has a good shot.

if joe louis an marciano are top 20 then why isnt hopkins?

[GJC]

well then who is?

Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb

[The_Demon]

Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb

I think you are wasting your time with him to be honest

[r.burgundy]

Sugar Ray Robinson or Harry Greb

i usually put robinson with the welters but i cant argue if somebody had him #1 at mw.greb is lol status.he should be bottom 1/2 of anybodys list at middle.

[GJC]

i usually put robinson with the welters but i cant argue if somebody had him #1 at mw.greb is lol status.he should be bottom 1/2 of anybodys list at middle.

Hagler, Monzon?

[GJC]

i usually put robinson with the welters but i cant argue if somebody had him #1 at mw.greb is lol status.he should be bottom 1/2 of anybodys list at middle.

Re Harry Greb we might not have SEEN him beat great MW's but the records show he did but neither of us have seen BHop beat a great MW either have we?

OK lets turn the question around who has Hopkins beat that makes you rate him as the best MW in history?
Trinidad or DLH who were pumped up welters?
Joppy who lost to one of those pumped up welters?
Brown who was shot?
The best fighter he fought at MW who wasn't shot or punching above his weight was RJJ
You could argue that BHop wasn't prime but Jones did beat him one handed.

[The_Demon]

Re Harry Greb we might not have SEEN him beat great MW's but the records show he did but neither of us have seen BHop beat a great MW either have we?

OK lets turn the question around who has Hopkins beat that makes you rate him as the best MW in history?
Trinidad or DLH who were pumped up welters?
Joppy who lost to one of those pumped up welters?
Brown who was shot?
The best fighter he fought at MW who wasn't shot or punching above his weight was RJJ
You could argue that BHop wasn't prime but Jones did beat him one handed.

Hopkins record at MW isnt anything special imo,but he did have a lot of defenses and dominated the majority of them

[BigStereotype]

if joe louis an marciano are top 20 then why isnt hopkins?

Come on, man. I know you're agreeing with me and all, but Hopkins is NOWHERE near Joe Louis. I don't even have him as a top ten middleweight. That division has been stacked through history.