Roberto Duran VS Manny Pacquiao @135

[BennyST]

135, Duran by decision. anything above, Pacquiao by decision or possible stoppage.

at 135 Duran is tough as nails and slippery enough to take it to Pacquiao for 12 rounds, most likely winning a decision. At 140 or 147, Pacquiao has got to many tools, to much speed and to much pop.

Duran wins a fairly one-sided decision at 135. Pacquiao beats Duran at 140 or 147.

Wow, are you guys serious? Why would it change from 135 to 147? I see it being possibly even worse for Pac against Duran at 147. The guy that fought up to Leonard II, and was motivated was just as good as the one that fought at 135, if sometimes a little flat and overweight in a few fights. But if we're talking the good one that beat Palomino and Leonard, Pac stands no chance to be honest.

Did Duran suddenly become bad at 147 and Pac that much better? Is the guy that beat Leonard, who has a lot more 'pop' in a single punch, is faster, bigger, more skilled, has better combinations, more 'tools' than Pacquiao did going to suddenly lose at the two (if you count 140) weights where he was still without question one of the most brutally skilled fighters ever?

Hmmm....interesting.

[BennyST]

This is Duran at 147 in case people are mistaking the guy that fought Vinny Pazienza or Iran Barkley or Jorge Castro with the one that fought at 147, which can be the only reason I see that you would pick him to beat Pac at 135 and then for Pac to beat him at maybe even knock him out.



I actually don't see how Pac wins this one to be honest. It would be an inside fight. The whole fight would be fought inside and Pac doesn't fight at all well there and wouldn't know how to change it as Duran just had too many things he could. I see him winning it outside too.

If you aren't bothered by the speed of a 25 year old Ray Leonard, and in fact hold your own in that department against him, at 147 and the only guy that can hurt you is a 25 year old 154 pound prime Tommy Hearns, then there isn't too much to worry about from Pac.

Now I realise why some people say the wins over Hatton, Oscar and Cotto make him absurdly overrated at 140/147. He really isn't different from the guy that fought at 135 or even 130. Better gameplan and more patient but the fighter does the same things.

[Killer Angel]

I am a Filipino but I have to give it to Roberto Duran whether it be at 135 or 147 Pounds.

[BigStereotype]

Wow, are you guys serious? Why would it change from 135 to 147? I see it being possibly even worse for Pac against Duran at 147. The guy that fought up to Leonard II, and was motivated was just as good as the one that fought at 135, if sometimes a little flat and overweight in a few fights. But if we're talking the good one that beat Palomino and Leonard, Pac stands no chance to be honest.

Did Duran suddenly become bad at 147 and Pac that much better? Is the guy that beat Leonard, who has a lot more 'pop' in a single punch, is faster, bigger, more skilled, has better combinations, more 'tools' than Pacquiao did going to suddenly lose at the two (if you count 140) weights where he was still without question one of the most brutally skilled fighters ever?

Hmmm....interesting.

At 147, Duran has arguably better one-punch pop. He's definitely more skilled and he definitely likes to make fights dirty. But better speed and combinations? Are you high? Pacquiao throws combos like Meldrick Taylor, lightning fast, very accurate and with bad intentions. I think that Pacquiao is a better fighter at 147 than Duran was and he beats Duran in an exciting war.

[HaglerSteelChin]

Duran would neutralize Pac's speed and power by cutting off the space and fighting in the inside and he would both slip and clinch to avoid counters. Pac's manilla ice won't have the same power since Duran by figthing in the inside would take leverage off those punches. This means that throwing uppers will be the only way for Pac to get great leverage.

Sure he will hit Duran, but Duran was willing to go and slug it out often. If you look at the final minute of Round 4 with Cotto, there were some great shots landed against Pac but cotto pretty much got tired and punched himself out and was than KD by Pac. That won't happen to Duran, he was a monster fighting on the ropes and his punches at 135 at much more sting than Cotto. Duran beat guys with speed Marcel and SRL when they fought flat footed. Pac is not a slick fighter and will fight the combative style that plays to Duran.

All you have to do is look at the fact that Morales beat Pac at 130 and won 4 of the first 5 RDS in the rematch but he lost his legs and gave out in that fight. In addition, it was the same Morales who in his previous fight was taken to school by Raheem. Marquez i felt beat Pac in their rematch at 130. All due respect, Morales and Marquez are no Duran, so what would Duran do to Pac at 135?

[DeepSleep]

From 135 to 147 I see Duran knocking out PacMan in a one sided fight. I can't see PacMan's chin handling Duran's bombs very well and I'm certain that Duran's chin would be able to handle PacMan's. The rest of my reasons have already been said by BennyST and HaglerSteelChin in the previous posts(and most likely better than I would have said it anyways...).

[bklynboy]

Duran would neutralize Pac's speed and power by cutting off the space and fighting in the inside and he would both slip and clinch to avoid counters. Pac's manilla ice won't have the same power since Duran by figthing in the inside would take leverage off those punches. This means that throwing uppers will be the only way for Pac to get great leverage.

Sure he will hit Duran, but Duran was willing to go and slug it out often. If you look at the final minute of Round 4 with Cotto, there were some great shots landed against Pac but cotto pretty much got tired and punched himself out and was than KD by Pac. That won't happen to Duran, he was a monster fighting on the ropes and his punches at 135 at much more sting than Cotto. Duran beat guys with speed Marcel and SRL when they fought flat footed. Pac is not a slick fighter and will fight the combative style that plays to Duran.

All you have to do is look at the fact that Morales beat Pac at 130 and won 4 of the first 5 RDS in the rematch but he lost his legs and gave out in that fight. In addition, it was the same Morales who in his previous fight was taken to school by Raheem. Marquez i felt beat Pac in their rematch at 130. All due respect, Morales and Marquez are no Duran, so what would Duran do to Pac at 135?

Very well put. I think it would have been a great war as long as it lasted.

[Tiozzo]

Duran would be all over Manny, roughing him up on the inside, beating him up

Props to Roach btw for being honest in saying that Duran would have beaten Pacquiao (although that Duran is his favorite all-time fighter)<

I hope *******s don't invade this thread

[BennyST]

At 147, Duran has arguably better one-punch pop. He's definitely more skilled and he definitely likes to make fights dirty. But better speed and combinations? Are you high? Pacquiao throws combos like Meldrick Taylor, lightning fast, very accurate and with bad intentions. I think that Pacquiao is a better fighter at 147 than Duran was and he beats Duran in an exciting war.

Not Duran. Leonard. Leonard is faster, punches harder, throws better combinations, has more tools etc etc. It might have been worded a bit funny. If Duran can handle a WW Leonard's 'tools', power, speed and skill, he won't be having too much trouble with Pac.

If the Pac that fought and beat Cotto at 147/145/whatever fought the Duran of Leonard/Palomino, he gets knocked out. Seriously. If you invite Duran and sit on the ropes asking to get hit like Pac did many times, you get beaten up and knocked out. He doesn't try to get away from the ropes and against Duran, he would get hammered straight back to them and bulled about like nothing. He wouldn't land the same combinations that he was able to against Cotto as he slips nearly all of them and takes a ferocious beating to the body and head inside.

Pac has no defense for counter punches inside and out, uppercuts, body shots etc all of which would be hitting him non stop. He can't wait until Duran gasses because Duran was more insane over longer distances than Pac and finished stronger.

I see this starting out great at 135 or 147 with Pac winning some early rounds until Duran warms up and gets going and by the tenth when he is really just starting to get going, Pac is slowly starting to break down and wear down. By the twelfth to fifteenth he is taking a bad beating. The body shots that Marquez was landing and hurting him with in the rematch? He takes a non stop fifteen rounds of much worse and falls to them by the end.

[wmute]

This is very interesting.

Duran beat Leonard at 147, but he would somehow manage to lose to Pacquiao.

Can someone ****ing enlighten me on how this ww fight with Manny winning would play out?

I am curious.