What do people match up fighters

[SpecialOne]

off topic but no disrespect to joe louis but i dont think he could cut off the ring very well

[StarshipTrooper]

I still find it incredible that people think this way. People have been fighting forever. Do you think that a champion fighter from Classical Greece or a top fighter from 16th C Japan wouldn't have done well in MMA?

If there was a tournament I think they would be odds on favorites to meet in the finals.

Boxing's rules have changed over the years but the sport is the same: hit and not be hit. A lot of the techniques we think are revolutionary are just reformatting earlier techniques.

Outside of time off, allowing to recuperate from injury and looking at video there is nothing that current fighters have over fighters from 50 years ago. Take away the video, or let old-timers (Joe Louis) study videos of Arroeola and you're right back to the basics: hit and not be hit.

Hell, Hopkins and Toney are pretty damn open about how they lifted many of their techniques and moves off of Jersey Joe Walcott from back in the 1940s.....Mike Tyson was pretty open about modeling his technique off of Jack Dempsey from back in the 1920s. There is very little in boxing that can be categorized as "new" and there certainly haven't been any kind of revolutionary new ideas in at least 70-80 years.

Poet

[r.burgundy]

in fantasy match ups?

I know its fun and dont wanna kill the fun but realistically you cant compare fighters from today to fighters from 100years ago

Surely todays fighters will beat fighters from the era of the great Joe Louis?

I know im proberbly gonna get bashed but 2010 Chris Arreola will beat a prime Joe Louis...

This is because the sport has changed from what it once was, so you cant compare the two anyway

I never really comment on fantasy match ups but i do my history and list fighters in a top 10,20 etc due to accomplishments and resume

i agree with you,but the average poster in this section is supringsly old.easily 30+ for the average age.joe louis lost to max schmeling yet they would find it unbelievable that he could get k.od by somebody fighting today who is much bigger and much stronger and would likely walk through whatever offense they have.

they dont understand that most fighters are great for thier time and not everybody elses.i love joe.he used to knock mother****ers senseless.but do i think if we put him in a time machine and brought him to this decade he would be a champ.not for 1 second

[mickey malone]

i agree with you,but the average poster in this section is supringsly old.easily 30+ for the average age.joe louis lost to max schmeling yet they would find it unbelievable that he could get k.od by somebody fighting today who is much bigger and much stronger and would likely walk through whatever offense they have.

they dont understand that most fighters are great for thier time and not everybody elses.i love joe.he used to knock mother****ers senseless.but do i think if we put him in a time machine and brought him to this decade he would be a champ.not for 1 second

Surprisingly old at 30+ eh!.. So the best historians must all be teenagers then.. When you're older and we're dead, you'll be watching fighters, and will have enough experience to rate them against the fighters of today, who I guarantee will be considered as no hopers by the youth of the future.. Life is a long journey and an even longer learning curve.. Trust me, I'm astonishingly old..

[bklynboy]

i agree with you,but the average poster in this section is supringsly old.easily 30+ for the average age.joe louis lost to max schmeling yet they would find it unbelievable that he could get k.od by somebody fighting today who is much bigger and much stronger and would likely walk through whatever offense they have.

they dont understand that most fighters are great for thier time and not everybody elses.i love joe.he used to knock mother****ers senseless.but do i think if we put him in a time machine and brought him to this decade he would be a champ.not for 1 second

Why would a 30+ year old have any feelings for Joe Louis. I'm 40+ and Joe Louis retired years before I was born. I know two things one: human beings have not changed and two the video you're using to judge Louis and the others suck. They were better than they appear on film.

Since humans haven't changed why would today's fighters be better? Are our training methods better? I don't think so, we always go back and adopt earlier techniques. What's better today? Fighters have the time and video to study their opponents in detail and come up with strategies to exploit weaknesses.

Take this away and what do we have? Two human beings in a ring.

The only place where you have an argument is in the heavyweight division.
Would the height and power of a 240+ Klitchko take out an opponent who's faster and has greater endurance (Joe Louis) but weighs 40+ less? Arreola doesn't count in this category. If he trimmed away all his fat he would come in at 210-215.

[StarshipTrooper]

Surprisingly old at 30+ eh!.. So the best historians must all be teenagers then.. When you're older and we're dead, you'll be watching fighters, and will have enough experience to rate them against the fighters of today, who I guarantee will be considered as no hopers by the youth of the future.. Life is a long journey and an even longer learning curve.. Trust me, I'm astonishingly old..

Oh damn those OLD people anyway! They just don't understand how much superior our generation is to all the ones that came before us! We're so much smarter than those OLD people

Poet

[M26]

Yes boxing has changed.. It's progressively got easier over the years, with less active professionals, more world titles and less rounds in championship fights..
Other than that, it's the same as it's always been - two guys hitting each other with leather gloves on, which these days are a lot more comfy to get hit with..
Don't mean to shatter your illusions, but Joe Louis may have killed Arreola had he been around back then, and the reason people compare fighters from different era's is because there really is an awful lot to compare.. Especially styles wise..
Another interesting factor, is that a lot of fighters from the past didn't give a damn about weight difference.. People like Jamaica Joe Walcott used to fight and beat heavyweights, but he was 5'1" a weighed around 140lbs, so match up between him and a lot of fighters would make for a good debate..

Excellent post. I concur.

[sonnyboyx2]

did you read my reply to you, sonny

yes i did read it

[TheGreatA]

off topic but no disrespect to joe louis but i dont think he could cut off the ring very well

I don't think he has to cut off the ring against Arreola though. Arreola would be right there standing right in front of him, and that's how Louis liked his opponents. If there was one top fighter that I'd be 100% confident that Louis could destroy, it's Arreola. A perfect match-up for Joe Louis to be honest. A straight-up, flat-footed, wide punching slugger who is right there in front of you.

I predict Arreola to get battered senseless by Louis, Abe Simon style. I may or may not be correct but it's fun to think about.

[r.burgundy]

Why would a 30+ year old have any feelings for Joe Louis. I'm 40+ and Joe Louis retired years before I was born. I know two things one: human beings have not changed and two the video you're using to judge Louis and the others suck. They were better than they appear on film.

Since humans haven't changed why would today's fighters be better? Are our training methods better? I don't think so, we always go back and adopt earlier techniques. What's better today? Fighters have the time and video to study their opponents in detail and come up with strategies to exploit weaknesses.

Take this away and what do we have? Two human beings in a ring.

The only place where you have an argument is in the heavyweight division.
Would the height and power of a 240+ Klitchko take out an opponent who's faster and has greater endurance (Joe Louis) but weighs 40+ less? Arreola doesn't count in this category. If he trimmed away all his fat he would come in at 210-215.

i was just pointing out to threadstarter he is extremely young in relation to everybody else,so he's not likely to have many who have his point of view.

its not so much louis who is the problem as was his opposition.ali called it the bum of the month club.ali would know better than anybody on here

humans have evolved.athletes are bigger,stronger and faster than ever before.the rules have changed so why wouldnt fighters change.very rarely do boxers have transcendent talent.for example,marciano was great for his time but could he be great today?there are weight classes for a reason so these new guys have seriously outgrown the old 1's.allotta these fights probly wouldnt even get sanctioned today


joe louis wasnt agile at all.he didnt have to be.he was accurate cause majority of guys he fought came strait fwd with hands down and posed no threat whatsoever on offense