Muhammad Ali vs The Supersized Heavyweights

[Jim Jeffries]

You guys are hilarious. Please, critique this:

[EzzardFan]

You guys are hilarious. Please, critique this:

I have a dummy just like that but it's base is much sturdier if you fill it with sand.

[GJC]

You guys are hilarious. Please, critique this:

Can you show it from 2:00 it's even more impressive

[r.burgundy]

Often on this forum i read topics where members claim Muhammad Ali was overated, Lewis vs Ali would be a 50/50 fight, The Klitschko brothers would be to big for him and to powerful.. lets take a look at their careers and make our case:

Wlad Klitschko - 6ft 6in Vitali - 6ft 7ins Lennox Lewis 6ft 5ins

Fighters Ali fought who measured up to the Super-sized heavies of today in height and power.
George Foreman - 6ft 4in + power
Ron Lyle 6ft 31/12in + power
Earnie Shavers power
Mac Foster 6ft 4in + power
Cleveland Williams 6ft 4in + power
Buster Mathis 6ft 4in + power + skills
Alvin Lewis 6ft 3in
Joe Bugner 6ft 5in
Ernie Terrell 6ft 7in
Ken Norton 6ft 4in + power
Chuck Wepner 6ft 7in

Fighters The Super-sized fought who measure up to Muhammad Ali in skills or height - Ali was 6ft 4in

Michael Grant - 6ft 6in
Henry Akinwande 6ft 7in
Shannon Briggs 6ft 5in
Tyrell Biggs 6ft 5in
Tony Tucker 6ft 5in
Jameel McCline 6ft 6in
Cory Sanders 6ft 5in + power - no skill

Height & weigh are completely meaningless it is skill and brutality which count..

Ali was on a completely different level skillwise as the Klitschko brothers & Lennox Lewis and Ali had zero trouble beating fighters who was just as big & tall as those 3 super-sized heavyweights... Muhammad Ali used speed & skills along with a lightening fast jab to beat Ernie Terrell to a pulp leaving his face looking like a plate of meat yet Terrell was taller than the super-sized

Ali took bombs on the chin from Foreman, Lyle, Norton, Williams, Shavers, Frazier, Foster all of who punched far harder than any of the super-sized - Muhammad Ali was never knocked-out, yet Lewis & Wladimir have been poleaxed by mediocre journeymen.

Ali punched hard enough to be the only man to knock out iron-chinned Oscar Bonavena & George Foreman.

The Super-sized are vastly overated in power as they repeatedly struggled to KO opponents other fighters KOd easily..

The argument cannot be made that the super-sized are "HEAVIER" as weight is a hindrance.. in the case of Lennox Lewis he looked a world beater when weighing 225lbs against Ruddock & Mason yet looked nothing like that when weighing 235 - 255lbs and repeatedly struggling or getting KOd by opponents

Both Klitschko brothers have black marks against them as likely steroid users.

please do not call into question the height and weights i have stated, i do not go by Boxrec for my statistics as they are always incorrect... do your homework and you will see that i am correct.

Lets here your case:

i want to say ali beats these guys but i just cant.i cant see him having an easy time with any of them.youve also been very generous to your heights of ali's foes and leave out a good deal.guys like buster mathis had solid skills but he was grossly outta shape as was big george.yes ali ko'd but it was in the same style brewster ko'd wlad.he waited him out an got him when he ran outta gas.lewis got hit with some bombs in his losses and ali doesnt have that in his arsenal.there is no punch ali has that is gnna stop those guys from doing what they want to.

ali outpointing them isnt beyond belief.your quick to point out lewis and wlad lost to journeyman but ali lost to norton,and got hurt during the fight.brewster,rahman,and mccall would all steam roll norton as did every puncher he fought did

[GJC]

i want to say ali beats these guys but i just cant.i cant see him having an easy time with any of them.youve also been very generous to your heights of ali's foes and leave out a good deal.guys like buster mathis had solid skills but he was grossly outta shape as was big george.yes ali ko'd but it was in the same style brewster ko'd wlad.he waited him out an got him when he ran outta gas.lewis got hit with some bombs in his losses and ali doesnt have that in his arsenal.there is no punch ali has that is gnna stop those guys from doing what they want to.

ali outpointing them isnt beyond belief.your quick to point out lewis and wlad lost to journeyman but ali lost to norton,and got hurt during the fight.brewster,rahman,and mccall would all steam roll norton as did every puncher he fought did

Sorry?
You have your doubts that Ali wouldn't beat Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Shannon Briggs, Tony Tucker, Jameel McCline and Cory Sanders?
At boxing right, not basketball?
Well Foreman was totally robbed against Briggs when he was 48 if that is a clue.

[fight_professor]

Often on this forum i read topics where members claim Muhammad Ali was overated, Lewis vs Ali would be a 50/50 fight, The Klitschko brothers would be to big for him and to powerful.. lets take a look at their careers and make our case:

Wlad Klitschko - 6ft 6in Vitali - 6ft 7ins Lennox Lewis 6ft 5ins

Fighters Ali fought who measured up to the Super-sized heavies of today in height and power.
George Foreman - 6ft 4in + power
Ron Lyle 6ft 31/12in + power
Earnie Shavers power
Mac Foster 6ft 4in + power
Cleveland Williams 6ft 4in + power
Buster Mathis 6ft 4in + power + skills
Alvin Lewis 6ft 3in
Joe Bugner 6ft 5in
Ernie Terrell 6ft 7in
Ken Norton 6ft 4in + power
Chuck Wepner 6ft 7in

Fighters The Super-sized fought who measure up to Muhammad Ali in skills or height - Ali was 6ft 4in

Michael Grant - 6ft 6in
Henry Akinwande 6ft 7in
Shannon Briggs 6ft 5in
Tyrell Biggs 6ft 5in
Tony Tucker 6ft 5in
Jameel McCline 6ft 6in
Cory Sanders 6ft 5in + power - no skill

Height & weigh are completely meaningless it is skill and brutality which count..

Ali was on a completely different level skillwise as the Klitschko brothers & Lennox Lewis and Ali had zero trouble beating fighters who was just as big & tall as those 3 super-sized heavyweights... Muhammad Ali used speed & skills along with a lightening fast jab to beat Ernie Terrell to a pulp leaving his face looking like a plate of meat yet Terrell was taller than the super-sized

Ali took bombs on the chin from Foreman, Lyle, Norton, Williams, Shavers, Frazier, Foster all of who punched far harder than any of the super-sized - Muhammad Ali was never knocked-out, yet Lewis & Wladimir have been poleaxed by mediocre journeymen.

Ali punched hard enough to be the only man to knock out iron-chinned Oscar Bonavena & George Foreman.

The Super-sized are vastly overated in power as they repeatedly struggled to KO opponents other fighters KOd easily..

The argument cannot be made that the super-sized are "HEAVIER" as weight is a hindrance.. in the case of Lennox Lewis he looked a world beater when weighing 225lbs against Ruddock & Mason yet looked nothing like that when weighing 235 - 255lbs and repeatedly struggling or getting KOd by opponents

Both Klitschko brothers have black marks against them as likely steroid users.

please do not call into question the height and weights i have stated, i do not go by Boxrec for my statistics as they are always incorrect... do your homework and you will see that i am correct.

Lets here your case:

Ali destroys these B grade superheavies. He has as mentioned bettered men of that size, and far greater skill.

You get +K for telling the truth.

[DeepSleep]

i want to say ali beats these guys but i just cant.i cant see him having an easy time with any of them.youve also been very generous to your heights of ali's foes and leave out a good deal.guys like buster mathis had solid skills but he was grossly outta shape as was big george.yes ali ko'd but it was in the same style brewster ko'd wlad.he waited him out an got him when he ran outta gas.lewis got hit with some bombs in his losses and ali doesnt have that in his arsenal.there is no punch ali has that is gnna stop those guys from doing what they want to.

ali outpointing them isnt beyond belief.your quick to point out lewis and wlad lost to journeyman but ali lost to norton,and got hurt during the fight.brewster,rahman,and mccall would all steam roll norton as did every puncher he fought did

Ali's loss to Norton can't be compared to Wlad/Lewis loss to the journeyman of the month. Norton is not Brewster, McCall or McCall. Norton is a IBHOF heavyweight fighter.

Although I think Lewis could give Ali some issues, I don't think any of the rest of them have a chance at all. Ali doesn't need to throw bombs to prevent the big giants from doing what they want to do, watch what Ali did to Cleveland Williams to get an idea what he would do to the big lumbering giants of today.

[sonnyboyx2]

i want to say ali beats these guys but i just cant.i cant see him having an easy time with any of them.youve also been very generous to your heights of ali's foes and leave out a good deal.guys like buster mathis had solid skills but he was grossly outta shape as was big george.yes ali ko'd but it was in the same style brewster ko'd wlad.he waited him out an got him when he ran outta gas.lewis got hit with some bombs in his losses and ali doesnt have that in his arsenal.there is no punch ali has that is gnna stop those guys from doing what they want to.

ali outpointing them isnt beyond belief.your quick to point out lewis and wlad lost to journeyman but ali lost to norton,and got hurt during the fight.brewster,rahman,and mccall would all steam roll norton as did every puncher he fought did

Buster Mathis had very good boxing skills and was very agile on his feet..Big George was not `grossly outa shape` when he lost to Muhammad Ali, in fact George looked incredible..you are having a laugh if you think Brewster, Rahman or McCall could beat Ken Norton.. Norton lost the closest verdict in heavyweight history to Larry Holmes in 1978 yet 17yrs later Holmes lost by only a single point to a prime Oliver McCall, if Oleg Maskaev & Lennox Lewis can level Rahman then Norton would decapitate him as he would with Brewster..Ali lost to Norton on points suffering a broken jaw, Lewis and Wlad got poleaxed by mediocre journeymen..
your talking as if Muhammad Ali had `feather-fists` yet he stopped the vast majority of fighters from `The Golden era`Patterson, Liston, Folley, Williams, Frazier, Foreman, Bonavena, Quarry, Lyle, Ellis, Cooper..who all took a rap better than Lewis or Wlad.. The one thing for sure is that Muhammad Ali punched harder than Rahman, McCall or Brewster as none of them was to replicate their KO of Lewis and Wlad against any other opponent they fought before or after, which points to Lewis & Wlad having poor resistance to punches.

Size, weight & height are not power -- Speed is power and Muhammad Ali was the fastest in heavyweight history.. Ali clowned & played with lots of his opponents so as to put a show on for the paying fans, Lewis & Wlad turned fans away from this sport by repeatedly putting on snoozers that bored the paying fans and turned them off the sport

[r.burgundy]

Sorry?
You have your doubts that Ali wouldn't beat Michael Grant, Henry Akinwande, Shannon Briggs, Tony Tucker, Jameel McCline and Cory Sanders?
At boxing right, not basketball?
Well Foreman was totally robbed against Briggs when he was 48 if that is a clue.

those guys ali would destroy.only sanders would give ali a decent scrap out that bunch.i would love to see him against grant though.he always gives a highlight reel k.o.

the heavys i was talking about beating ali were lewis,wlad,and vitali.

[r.burgundy]

Ali's loss to Norton can't be compared to Wlad/Lewis loss to the journeyman of the month. Norton is not Brewster, McCall or McCall. Norton is a IBHOF heavyweight fighter.

Although I think Lewis could give Ali some issues, I don't think any of them have a chance at all. Ali doesn't need to throw bombs to prevent the big giants from doing what they want to do, watch what Ali did to Cleveland Williams to get an idea what he would do to the big lumbering giants of today.

norton lives off that ali win.he get k.o'd in brutal fashion many times.you can make a case that he is a journeyman.and it can easily be compared to those loses because its a fight ali was supposed to win.norton fought ali tough cause he didnt have a huge punch

no ali doesnt need to throw bombs to win but i dont like his chances of stopping any of them.sorry but big cleve was big and thats it.lewis and the klits both have a vastly superior skill set to him.and lewis and wlad arent exactly immobile