Manny Pacquiao vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 135lb

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Chavez by mutilation.

Chavez is fast and Manny takes a lot of punches from everybody he faces. Chavez has too much power for Manny to eat his punches and stick around.

Manny just isn't good enough to go toe to toe with certain ATG's and Chavez is a guy that just destroys him.

I agree with this but to throw in my own 2cents.

Manny Pacquiao wasn't very durable(for lack of a better term) at anything below 140. Just go look at his streak of beating the mexican boxers. They all gave him hell, beat his face up, even if they did lose.

In my opinion, a guy who can match speed with Manny and get his timing down(which is pretty simple to do) he hops alot then pauses before going on the offensive, easy to time if you got the speed to match him. Chavez would destroy Manny in a insta-classic. It would be a war but Manny would go down for the count.

[Wukillabeez78]

Show me film with De La Hoya hopping vs Vargas.

I have 6 links on youtube showing the entire fight and it's not there.

Again, are you sure you're not thinking of another fight with 2 other people in it?

Show me a fight where Pacquiao bounces excessively or "hops" as you put it for the whole fight. Pacquiao doesn't bounce on his toes for an entire fight and neither do other fighters. Boxers get up on their toes right before they move in to punch or feint their opponent or whenever else they are trying to move quickly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFMq...eature=related
You can see both De La Hoya and Vargas bouncing on their toes in this clip as they feint and before they punch and also just to get into rhythm. Pacquiao might stay on his toes more than other fighters you're used to watching because he's very active with a lot of stamina and is constantly going in and out pressing the action. The more you weigh the less you're on your toes.

[Wukillabeez78]

And here's a Time magazine interview where De La Hoya talks about moving around the ring on his toes.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1864438,00.html

[Wukillabeez78]

Here's a link of Pacquiao vs Clottey. Pacquiao isn't always bouncing on his toes, he's flat-footed at times and is up on his toes when he wants to move quickly. Clottey does the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j42MpSS9-do&feature=related

[CarlosG815]

Show me a fight where Pacquiao bounces excessively or "hops" as you put it for the whole fight. Pacquiao doesn't bounce on his toes for an entire fight and neither do other fighters. Boxers get up on their toes right before they move in to punch or feint their opponent or whenever else they are trying to move quickly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFMq...eature=related
You can see both De La Hoya and Vargas bouncing on their toes in this clip as they feint and before they punch and also just to get into rhythm. Pacquiao might stay on his toes more than other fighters you're used to watching because he's very active with a lot of stamina and is constantly going in and out pressing the action. The more you weigh the less you're on your toes.

Bro, just stop. You don't have to argue this anymore. That clip you showed proves my point that DLH doesn't hop. A lot of fighters when they're coming out of a clinch will hop backwards. The fact is before Manny throws he hops around more than most fighters leaving him vulnerable to a skilled opponent to time.

Now we need to put him in with somebody good so we can see how good he really is.

Don't get me wrong I love Pac, he's one of my favorite fighters, but I wanna see him beat some top contenders!

[Wukillabeez78]

Bro, just stop. You don't have to argue this anymore. That clip you showed proves my point that DLH doesn't hop. A lot of fighters when they're coming out of a clinch will hop backwards. The fact is before Manny throws he hops around more than most fighters leaving him vulnerable to a skilled opponent to time.

Now we need to put him in with somebody good so we can see how good he really is.

Don't get me wrong I love Pac, he's one of my favorite fighters, but I wanna see him beat some top contenders!

We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't see Pacquiao engaging in any "hopping" as you put it. I see a very active fighter who throws a lot of punches (about 100 per round against Clottey which is SUPER active) who is on his toes moving in and out, not "hopping". Pacquiao has already fought plenty of not good but GREAT fighters who weren't able to exploit this so called "vulnerability".

Not sure how many of Pacquiao's fights you've seen but you're in the minority if you haven't already seen how good he is. There are only a handful of fighters (whoever wins Mayweather vs Mosley, Paul Williams, maybe Berto along with Alexander/Bradley if they move up) out there that are even worth his time at this point.

I don't love Pac nor do I love any other current fighter. I like boxing itself because it's a sport I have in the past and still currently participate in. I understand all the different styles, techniques and subtleness of the sport and also enjoy seeing competitive fights. Pacquiao has already fought and beat top contenders (both in the past and recently unlike other fighters). I'm more interested in seeing Mayweather fight some top contenders and May 1st is a step in the right direction for him.

[them_apples]

I agree with this but to throw in my own 2cents.

Manny Pacquiao wasn't very durable(for lack of a better term) at anything below 140. Just go look at his streak of beating the mexican boxers. They all gave him hell, beat his face up, even if they did lose.

In my opinion, a guy who can match speed with Manny and get his timing down(which is pretty simple to do) he hops alot then pauses before going on the offensive, easy to time if you got the speed to match him. Chavez would destroy Manny in a insta-classic. It would be a war but Manny would go down for the count.

honestly this is a deluded statement. How is Pacquiao not durable? he took Morales best shots for 12 rounds. On top of that, Chavez isn't half as quick as Pacquiao. Enough of that "matching speed" BS.

[them_apples]

We'll just have to agree to disagree because I don't see Pacquiao engaging in any "hopping" as you put it. I see a very active fighter who throws a lot of punches (about 100 per round against Clottey which is SUPER active) who is on his toes moving in and out, not "hopping". Pacquiao has already fought plenty of not good but GREAT fighters who weren't able to exploit this so called "vulnerability".

Not sure how many of Pacquiao's fights you've seen but you're in the minority if you haven't already seen how good he is. There are only a handful of fighters (whoever wins Mayweather vs Mosley, Paul Williams, maybe Berto along with Alexander/Bradley if they move up) out there that are even worth his time at this point.

I don't love Pac nor do I love any other current fighter. I like boxing itself because it's a sport I have in the past and still currently participate in. I understand all the different styles, techniques and subtleness of the sport and also enjoy seeing competitive fights. Pacquiao has already fought and beat top contenders (both in the past and recently unlike other fighters). I'm more interested in seeing Mayweather fight some top contenders and May 1st is a step in the right direction for him.

good post. Not deluded. people are aways living in denial with Pacquiao.

people are acting like Pacquiaos easy to hit, well, wake up and smell the coffee Chavez would be getting hit twice as much. Even David Diaz at least turtled to block punches, Chavez would have ate them all night.

[them_apples]

I will agree that Meldrick losing was a tragedy. He's one of my favorite fighters and I hate the fact that he lost that fight when he should have won. All I'm saying is that Taylor was insanely fast and Chavez held his own and came out with a win.

Don't give me the Pac was green argument. I'm tired of hearing it, take that **** to NSB where 30,000 Pinoy's will agree with you. He's fought weaker opposition for the past 4 years. Washed up Morales and Barrera don't count. He lost to JMM and beat Cotto, Diaz and Hatton, all of which, while very popular, are B fighters at best, with Diaz and Hatton being low B fighters.

When he fights the best and wins (uncontroversially) we can start comparing him to an ATG like Chavez. Beating up Josh Clottey didn't convince me that he's any better than he was when JMM schooled him.

At what point was a 29 year old Barrera washed up? You seem to forget that Pacquiao hammered these guys a total of 4 times. You only like to remember the one decision loss he took from Morales because you hate Pacquiao.

[CarlosG815]

At what point was a 29 year old Barrera washed up? You seem to forget that Pacquiao hammered these guys a total of 4 times. You only like to remember the one decision loss he took from Morales because you hate Pacquiao.

Hate Pac? You have no idea what you're talking about and now your nonsense has gone from lowly opinion to pure assumption.

Age has little to do with the prime of a boxers career. Barrera had been through hell and back and fought some 60-some professional fights. It's obvious he wasn't the same fighter he was in the early 2000's. He was licked before 30 and nothing since then has shown that he's a serious contender or was he near the prime of his career at 29.

But of course you would think that because a guy is only 30 he must still be in the prime of his career, because you lack that common knowledge. Most boxing fans would agree he was already on the downward slide, but you seem to think he was prime because you love Pac so much.

They were still good fighters, but they weren't fighters in the prime of their career, and I don't care who you are, if you're not at your best, you're not beating Pac. However, I do feel that Barrera was a better fighter than Pac in the prime of his career, and I feel the same about Morales.

I'm a bigger Pac fan than I am of those guys, but that's just what I believe, love aside.