More Accomplished HW Lennox Lewis Or Joe Frazier?

[CarlosG815]

please explain :-)

You're a big Tyson fan, right?

Just guessing.

Whether you like it or not, most of what sonnyboy is saying is true and most people would agree.

Nobody loves Lennox Lewis like they do other ATG's for all the reason's listed above and throw in the fact that he was a snooze to watch and just didn't look good when he fought or threw punches.

Then you put quotes like that in your sig about a fighter like that... It makes you look like a Lewis nuthugger trying to use other fighters' opinions to backup your love, which will not work.

George says things at ringside in the heat of the moment after big fights that should be taken with a grain of salt. `

Tyson was doped up when he said that and trying to be humble because he wanted a rematch with Lennox for another payday. He even said "Please, sir?" to Lennox. Could you see 86 Tyson who said day after day, even after losing to Douglas, "I'm the best fighter in the world, nobody can beat me." You think that guy was the same as the 2002 guy? Get real.

[Shazam!]

Whether you like it or not, most of what sonnyboy is saying is true and most people would agree.

That's it. If nothing else works, a complete pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through ;-)

Nobody loves Lennox Lewis like they do other ATG's for all the reason's listed above and throw in the fact that he was a snooze to watch and just didn't look good when he fought or threw punches.

So was Lewis 'not throwing punches' when he out-landed the beloved Holyfield 350-120? Nice try ;-)

Or maybe you're gonna tell me that Larry Holmes was a spectacular KO artist than Lennox Lewis? Face it ****o, you don't like Lennox Lewis because he aint American. PERIOD.

Then you put quotes like that in your sig about a fighter like that... It makes you look like a Lewis nuthugger trying to use other fighters' opinions to backup your love, which will not work.

Hmm, wait a minute. First of all, I'm a Lewis fan. I'm not a fan of many British fighters ie Hatton, Calzaghe etc even though I respect their accomplishments. But I'm a fan of watching Lennox Lewis because I always loved his style and the way he had to overcome being ducked by ******* like Rid**** Bowe who shamefully throws his belt in the trash instead of fighting Lewis.

I'm a fan of the way Lewis KTFO out of the best your country has to offer for 15 years despite being ****ed over by your disgustingly corrupt system built by greedmongers and criminals. But Lewis kept going back to the states and kept beating em. I'm a fan of him absolutely dominated everything you had to offer again and again and again. And when you finally found someone to beat him? I'm a fan of the way he came back and knocked them the **** out too.

Lewis rose against adversity to meet every challenge he ever faced and conquer every single style he had to face in a very strong heavyweight era. An era which many have said was the best since Ali's 60's and 70's heyday.

Then I'm called deluded for saying that Lennox is a great heavyweight. So I quote George Frazier, George Foreman, Manny Steward, Tyson (a SMARTER man now than he was 25 years ago, undeniably)...who all agree with my opinion. YOUR legends, mate ;-)

I have to admit though, it is really quite amusing, bearing witness to how deeply frustrated some people get at the thought of it being what, about 20years since an American heavyweight ruled the sport. Get over it man. You've had some great fighters in that time.

Just not heavyweights.

Keep hatin!

[CarlosG815]

That's it. If nothing else works, a complete pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through ;-)



So was Lewis 'not throwing punches' when he out-landed the beloved Holyfield 350-120? Nice try ;-)

Or maybe you're gonna tell me that Larry Holmes was a spectacular KO artist than Lennox Lewis? Face it ****o, you don't like Lennox Lewis because he aint American. PERIOD.



Hmm, wait a minute. First of all, I'm a Lewis fan. I'm not a fan of many British fighters ie Hatton, Calzaghe etc even though I respect their accomplishments. But I'm a fan of watching Lennox Lewis because I always loved his style and the way he had to overcome being ducked by ******* like Rid**** Bowe who shamefully throws his belt in the trash instead of fighting Lewis.

I'm a fan of the way Lewis KTFO out of the best your country has to offer for 15 years despite being ****ed over by your disgustingly corrupt system built by greedmongers and criminals. But Lewis kept going back to the states and kept beating em. I'm a fan of him absolutely dominated everything you had to offer again and again and again. And when you finally found someone to beat him? I'm a fan of the way he came back and knocked them the **** out too.

Lewis rose against adversity to meet every challenge he ever faced and conquer every single style he had to face in a very strong heavyweight era. An era which many have said was the best since Ali's 60's and 70's heyday.

Then I'm called deluded for saying that Lennox is a great heavyweight. So I quote George Frazier, George Foreman, Manny Steward, Tyson (a SMARTER man now than he was 25 years ago, undeniably)...who all agree with my opinion. YOUR legends, mate ;-)

I have to admit though, it is really quite amusing, bearing witness to how deeply frustrated some people get at the thought of it being what, about 20years since an American heavyweight ruled the sport. Get over it man. You've had some great fighters in that time.

Just not heavyweights.

Keep hatin!

blah blah blah, you keep repeating the same bull**** drab.

I could care less where a fighter is from. American, British, Mexican, Middle Eastern, Filipino, Italian, whatever. I like fighters who are explosive, exciting, fighters who can win fights convincingly and entertain, because that's what boxing is. It's entertaining. Lennox Lewis has high end names on his list of W's, but nobody in their prime, and he was knocked out by Hasim Bum'man with a pitter patter tap.

I'm not even that big a fan of the heavyweight division because since Tyson became washed up/retired, heavyweight boxing was DEAD.

My all time favorites are mostly heavyweights, but since the late 90's all of my favorite fighters have been lightweight to welterweight.

I don't care what ethnicity a fighter is as long as I get my money's worth, and Lennox does not give me my money's worth!

[Shazam!]

ok that's fair enough. I take back the comment about ethnicity. But a lot of people, obviously including myself, believe Lewis to be a very smart, skilled fighter who was also capable of spectacular KO's. If you watched him vs Ruddock, 2nd fight vs Rahman, or against say Klitschko, Botha, Golota, Grant etc etc you'll see some spectacular action. At other times ie against people like Tyson and Tua he was more cautious and waited for openings. He just knew that you can't jump in and knock everyone out like Tyson did 85-88. He changed his style up depending on who he was fighting.

The arguments we're all having about Lewis concerns his effectivness a) what did he accomplish and b) how would he fare against certain other fighters in a hypothetical situation. Not about how exciting you thought he was or who's your favourite fighter.

[sonnyboyx2]

That's it. If nothing else works, a complete pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see you through ;-)



So was Lewis 'not throwing punches' when he out-landed the beloved Holyfield 350-120? Nice try ;-)

Or maybe you're gonna tell me that Larry Holmes was a spectacular KO artist than Lennox Lewis? Face it ****o, you don't like Lennox Lewis because he aint American. PERIOD.



Hmm, wait a minute. First of all, I'm a Lewis fan. I'm not a fan of many British fighters ie Hatton, Calzaghe etc even though I respect their accomplishments. But I'm a fan of watching Lennox Lewis because I always loved his style and the way he had to overcome being ducked by ******* like Rid**** Bowe who shamefully throws his belt in the trash instead of fighting Lewis.

I'm a fan of the way Lewis KTFO out of the best your country has to offer for 15 years despite being ****ed over by your disgustingly corrupt system built by greedmongers and criminals. But Lewis kept going back to the states and kept beating em. I'm a fan of him absolutely dominated everything you had to offer again and again and again. And when you finally found someone to beat him? I'm a fan of the way he came back and knocked them the **** out too.

Lewis rose against adversity to meet every challenge he ever faced and conquer every single style he had to face in a very strong heavyweight era. An era which many have said was the best since Ali's 60's and 70's heyday.

Then I'm called deluded for saying that Lennox is a great heavyweight. So I quote George Frazier, George Foreman, Manny Steward, Tyson (a SMARTER man now than he was 25 years ago, undeniably)...who all agree with my opinion. YOUR legends, mate ;-)

I have to admit though, it is really quite amusing, bearing witness to how deeply frustrated some people get at the thought of it being what, about 20years since an American heavyweight ruled the sport. Get over it man. You've had some great fighters in that time.

Just not heavyweights.

Keep hatin!

i would say Larry Holmes was just as strong a KO puncher as Lewis was, Holmes quality of opponents KOd was better than Lewis..

Lewis was not ducked by Rid**** Bowe like you claim.. here is a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

Lewis never like you claim knocked the **** out of the best the USA had to offer for 15yrs.. Lewis avoided the best the USA had to offer for most of that time, Holmes, Foreman, Moorer, Ruiz, Witherspoon, Byrd, Jones jr. Tyson 96, Bowe 93 & 95..

Lewis kept going back to the states to fight bums in Akinwande, Mavrovic, Rahman, Tua, McCall, Briggs, Grant, Golota, Morrison, Butler, Jackson, Tucker all very poor opponents who Lewis was huge odds on to beat.

and you claim those bums to be a very strong era of heavyweights as good as even the 60s & 70s.... you know nothing about the sport of boxing.

George Foreman was a notorious bull****er who will say anything to diminishe Muhammad Ali`s standing.. reading Foremans autobiography tells you that he is someone with a vivid imagination who`s word cannot be taken seriously.. Manny Stewart laughs now when Lewis name is mentioned and claims Wlad is the best heavyweight he has ever trained...both paid Stewart wages so cannot be taken seriously, Frazier is more or less brain-dead in our days.

Lewis never ruled the sport like you claim.. he got a very disputed decision victory over old Holyfield who was years past his best and suffering with heart problems, Lewis then had every version of that title stripped from him for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... That is not "ruling the sport" - That is "running scared"... Lewis is the only champion in history to be stripped of every title for refusing to fight the top contenders, how humiliating is that...

listen son... i know you idolize Lennox Lewis and dont like to hear the truth about him because it hurts you and spoils the imaginary image you have of him, but you need to understand that people who are hard-core boxing fans find nuthuggers like you a little bit simple in the head, but we understand and realize that you will grow out of it, its just a teenage thing..

[Shazam!]

i would say Larry Holmes was just as strong a KO puncher as Lewis was, Holmes quality of opponents KOd was better than Lewis..

Lewis was not ducked by Rid**** Bowe like you claim.. here is a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

Lewis never like you claim knocked the **** out of the best the USA had to offer for 15yrs.. Lewis avoided the best the USA had to offer for most of that time, Holmes, Foreman, Moorer, Ruiz, Witherspoon, Byrd, Jones jr. Tyson 96, Bowe 93 & 95..

Lewis kept going back to the states to fight bums in Akinwande, Mavrovic, Rahman, Tua, McCall, Briggs, Grant, Golota, Morrison, Butler, Jackson, Tucker all very poor opponents who Lewis was huge odds on to beat.

and you claim those bums to be a very strong era of heavyweights as good as even the 60s & 70s.... you know nothing about the sport of boxing.

George Foreman was a notorious bull****er who will say anything to diminishe Muhammad Ali`s standing.. reading Foremans autobiography tells you that he is someone with a vivid imagination who`s word cannot be taken seriously.. Manny Stewart laughs now when Lewis name is mentioned and claims Wlad is the best heavyweight he has ever trained...both paid Stewart wages so cannot be taken seriously, Frazier is more or less brain-dead in our days.

Lewis never ruled the sport like you claim.. he got a very disputed decision victory over old Holyfield who was years past his best and suffering with heart problems, Lewis then had every version of that title stripped from him for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... That is not "ruling the sport" - That is "running scared"... Lewis is the only champion in history to be stripped of every title for refusing to fight the top contenders, how humiliating is that...

listen son... i know you idolize Lennox Lewis and dont like to hear the truth about him because it hurts you and spoils the imaginary image you have of him, but you need to understand that people who are hard-core boxing fans find nuthuggers like you a little bit simple in the head, but we understand and realize that you will grow out of it, its just a teenage thing..

Heheh, this was particularly amusing. This post is like a 'sonnyboy Greatest Hits Post'. In typical fashion, every single line in it is highly disputable. And so pathetic also that, despite my clearly schooling you and out-witting you in every area (not least grammar, an area in which you clearly need a lot of help), you begin to call me 'son' despite knowing zero about me. What a big boy you are ;-)

I previously believed you may have been a crack-head because nothing else made sense. I wondered about a person who spends the majority of his time posting on a message board about how much he hates someone and barely any time talking about what he likes. One day you will realise just how truly insecure that is...

I've also entertained the possibility that you just suffer from chronic ******ation. In which case, you may never come to that realisation.

Last thing...what's that big, long string of red squares under your username? Is that what all the other 'people who know everything about boxing' get when they prove how 'respectable' they are?

[CarlosG815]

and you claim those bums to be a very strong era of heavyweights as good as even the 60s & 70s.... you know nothing about the sport of boxing.

This is true.

[CarlosG815]

Last thing...what's that big, long string of red squares under your username? Is that what all the other 'people who know everything about boxing' get when they prove how 'respectable' they are?

That's what you get when you don't swing from Pacquiao's family ***els on NSB. Maybe you haven't been here long enough to know how this **** works, but you get rep by posting nude pics of your girl in the mature lounge, or by posting Pac-Huggery.

If you speak out against him you will get red Karma all day. Take reputation with a grain of salt.

[Shazam!]

This is true.

FAIL AGAIN! You're on a roll Carlos!

Haha....I'm gonna spell this out very, very clearly so that tweedle dee and tweedle dum can understand. Lord knows you need it.

I said Lewis's era was the best era 'since Ali's era'.

Sonnyboy then made up a special new sentence, claiming that I said 'as good as Ali's era'.

These are two completely different statements, aren't they? Do you understand that? One is true. That means I said it. One is false. That means I didn't say it.

[sonnyboyx2]

Heheh, this was particularly amusing. This post is like a 'sonnyboy Greatest Hits Post'. In typical fashion, every single line in it is highly disputable. And so pathetic also that, despite my clearly schooling you and out-witting you in every area (not least grammar, an area in which you clearly need a lot of help), you begin to call me 'son' despite knowing zero about me. What a big boy you are ;-)

I previously believed you may have been a crack-head because nothing else made sense. I wondered about a person who spends the majority of his time posting on a message board about how much he hates someone and barely any time talking about what he likes. One day you will realise just how truly insecure that is...

I've also entertained the possibility that you just suffer from chronic ******ation. In which case, you may never come to that realisation.

Last thing...what's that big, long string of red squares under your username? Is that what all the other 'people who know everything about boxing' get when they prove how 'respectable' they are?

The truth has hurt you real bad, so now you have started to Ridicule me personally even tho you dont know me or know anything about me... but dont worry about it, i can take it, you will get over it or you will just move on and find some little kids who will believe your imaginary stories about Lennox Lewis, but on this section of the forum i dont think you will find it so easy to find the people to believe you, but dont worry you`ll get over it in time