More Accomplished HW Lennox Lewis Or Joe Frazier?

[General Zod]

Hide offered Lewis repeated oppotunities to fight for his WBO title in late 94 to mid 95 all on BBC TV, his promoter Barry Hearns made legit offers to Lewis and all was turned down, so they went for another big fish in Rid**** Bowe.

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The WBO belt was a lowly regarded belt back in the early 90s, it was equivalent to having the IBO belt today. Also I liked the way you overlook the fact, which states that a WBC champ could not unify with a WBO champ. Hide was never as popular as say Bruno and there was never much of a public demand for it anyway.

To claim Holyfield was `shot` is ridiculous.. The guy knocked **** out of Tyson and was far from what you call a shot fighter.... take a look at the PPV numbers for Tyson vs Holyfield (1) against the Lewis vs McCall (2) fight...you will realize your talking ****e.

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Why do you constantly do this? You constantly divert the subject when I prove you wrong. I am not saying that Holyfield was shot, I am saying that to everyone including Team Tyson that he looked like a fighter on the slide and easy pickings.

Ruiz always had a hold & hit style, i watched him live` beat Julius Francis in Bristol 1994..

Why dont you post a vid instead?

i told you Lewis vacated the title as King gave him $1 million... Lewis would have made at least $6 million for fighting Byrd.. Lewis refused to do business with King all his career, but because King could help him out of fighting Byrd, Lewis jumped at the chance.

lol, how was King helping him out. Lewis had no interest in fighting Byrd and was obviously dragging his feet about it, so to encourage him to vacate King paid him off.

i gave you a link on the Rock Newman offer of $12 million to fight Bowe and i will stick by that, i also seen Newman on BBC TV make the same offer... my eyes did not deceive me..

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Dude seriously lol at this I like the way you completely ignored my links, its shows just how biased you are. The initial offer Newman offered Lewis was 90/10 which Maloney refused. Maloney's counter offer was for 75/25 in Bowes favor, which Newman refused.
Rock Newman also wanted Lewis to vacate his belt and he also wanted Duvas share off the purse to come out of Lewis's side, so Lewis final purse would of been much less that stated.

Bowe was not brain damaged during the 1990s are you saying the guy is incapable of talking?

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You said that Bowe was not known for lying and I pointed out cases of him lying which were:
1: claiming to be brain damaged to get a lenient sentence
2: claiming to be not brain damaged so he can continue fighting
3: claiming to be sick to get out of a fight with Ruddock

yes i think there was a huge demand for Lewis to defend against the top contenders in Ruiz & Byrd, i dont think anyone wanted to see him duck them and fight Grant & Boths... Ruiz & Byrd would both KO Grant & Botha.

Ruiz and Byrd had fan unfriendly styles, Lewis was also boring who on earth would have wanted to watch those fights? Why dont you do a POLL about it , or post some articles to back up your opinion?

Who said anything about Lewis should have turned down McCall & fought Sanders?.... McCall was only days out of a drug rehab when he fought Lewis (2) it was a disgrace and cannot be considered as a legit victory

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You said they fought on the same night which was Lewis McCall I, and my question was why should Lewis have fought Corrie, then after he just lost to McCall?

[sonnyboyx2]

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The WBO belt was a lowly regarded belt back in the early 90s, it was equivalent to having the IBO belt today. Also I liked the way you overlook the fact, which states that a WBC champ could not unify with a WBO champ. Hide was never as popular as say Bruno and there was never much of a public demand for it anyway.

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Why do you constantly do this? You constantly divert the subject when I prove you wrong. I am not saying that Holyfield was shot, I am saying that to everyone including Team Tyson that he looked like a fighter on the slide and easy pickings.

Why dont you post a vid instead?

lol, how was King helping him out. Lewis had no interest in fighting Byrd and was obviously dragging his feet about it, so to encourage him to vacate King paid him off.

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Dude seriously lol at this I like the way you completely ignored my links, its shows just how biased you are. The initial offer Newman offered Lewis was 90/10 which Maloney refused. Maloney's counter offer was for 75/25 in Bowes favor, which Newman refused.
Rock Newman also wanted Lewis to vacate his belt and he also wanted Duvas share off the purse to come out of Lewis's side, so Lewis final purse would of been much less that stated.

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You said that Bowe was not known for lying and I pointed out cases of him lying which were:
1: claiming to be brain damaged to get a lenient sentence
2: claiming to be not brain damaged so he can continue fighting
3: claiming to be sick to get out of a fight with Ruddock

Ruiz and Byrd had fan unfriendly styles, Lewis was also boring who on earth would have wanted to watch those fights? Why dont you do a POLL about it , or post some articles to back up your opinion?

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You said they fought on the same night which was Lewis McCall I, and my question was why should Lewis have fought Corrie, then after he just lost to McCall?

Lewis did not hold the WBC title in late 94 to mid 95, Lewis vs Hide was a huge fight in Britain

you repeatedly claimed Holyfield was shot... you even put up a couple of links claiming he was shot and had heart defects etc...

post a vid?... of what?... i seen Ruiz so i have no need to post any video

Lewis accepted a meagre $1 million instead of fighting Byrd and getting around 6 times that amount, just like he accepted a meagre $4 million step-a-side money from King and avoided a $12 million payday and guaranteed title shot against Tyson..

The initial offer was 75/25 just like Bowe told it was...Bowe should know, he was the champion in the discussions...

So you are saying Bowe knows nothing, he does not know what day of the ****in week it is due to brain damage eh..

you said Lewis was the better quality opponent for Tyson and not Holyfield... now your changing your story....

i am now finished with you on this topic because no matter how many links i provide you repeatedly `move the goalposts`... you have a very back case of nuthugging and will distort the truth to suit your agenda, but not once have you told me or shown me anything to change my opinion that Lewis ducked Ruiz, Tyson, Byrd, Jones, Witherspoon, Holmes, Sanders, Foreman, Moorer, Wlad, Hide & Vitali

[Shazam!]

"i am now finished with you on this topic"

Crack's a callin, eh?

What a joker!

[sonnyboyx2]

"i am now finished with you on this topic"

Crack's a callin, eh?

What a joker!

you are the joker.. you frequent this boxing forum but have nothing to say that is of interest or than anyone takes seriously.. so like you say "cracks callin" you better hurry on your daddy is waiting

[Shazam!]

you are the joker.. you frequent this boxing forum but have nothing to say that is of interest or than anyone takes seriously.. so like you say "cracks callin" you better hurry on your daddy is waiting

Spoke like a true crackhead!

[Shazam!]

Mike Tyson: He's just too big, too strong. There's no way I could ever beat him.

George Foreman: He's the best heavyweight of all time.

And notice when Foreman says that....Larry Merchant doesn't argue.

Frazier: He definitely deserves to be up there with Ali and Foreman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxi...ht/2036717.stm

We goin with George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Merchant and Mike Tyson? in at least acknowledging that Lewis is a top 5? AT LEAST?....or we goin with Sonnyboy? What we got?

Take it away George...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5AMRL5-Hc

[Mersey]

Mike Tyson: He's just too big, too strong. There's no way I could ever beat him.

George Foreman: He's the best heavyweight of all time.

And notice when Foreman says that....Larry Merchant doesn't argue.

Frazier: He definitely deserves to be up there with Ali and Foreman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxi...ht/2036717.stm

We goin with George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Merchant and Mike Tyson? in at least acknowledging that Lewis is a top 5? AT LEAST?....or we goin with Sonnyboy? What we got?

Take it away George...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5AMRL5-Hc

Those ex fighters don't know **** about boxing! Sonnybox knows more than them.

[sonnyboyx2]

Mike Tyson: He's just too big, too strong. There's no way I could ever beat him.

George Foreman: He's the best heavyweight of all time.

And notice when Foreman says that....Larry Merchant doesn't argue.

Frazier: He definitely deserves to be up there with Ali and Foreman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxi...ht/2036717.stm

We goin with George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Merchant and Mike Tyson? in at least acknowledging that Lewis is a top 5? AT LEAST?....or we goin with Sonnyboy? What we got?

Take it away George...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5AMRL5-Hc

Check out Bert Sugar`s ATG list and see where he has Lewis among the heavyweights.... Lewis was often in most peoples Top 5 until i told it how it really was about him around 6yrs ago, now your lucky to see Lewis in the Top 15 of most Boxing fans lists... so i feel i have a duty to keep on educating new boxing fans about Lewis

[sonnyboyx2]

Mike Tyson: He's just too big, too strong. There's no way I could ever beat him.

George Foreman: He's the best heavyweight of all time.

And notice when Foreman says that....Larry Merchant doesn't argue.

Frazier: He definitely deserves to be up there with Ali and Foreman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxi...ht/2036717.stm

We goin with George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Larry Merchant and Mike Tyson? in at least acknowledging that Lewis is a top 5? AT LEAST?....or we goin with Sonnyboy? What we got?

Take it away George...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5AMRL5-Hc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7mKnw1zysw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4RDkZBUTWY

Here is George talking about Lewis

[Shazam!]

those aren't videos of George. They're rahman and mccall KOing Lewis. Do I sense a sore loser? :-D

Well I'll tell you what, you inspired me to put those quotes in my sig. Quotes which will now 'educate' every person who reads them in the future. So well done on that!

Some articles since Bert Sugar's 'list'....articles on Lennox being ATG Heavyweight from some more well-known boxing sites...

*************: http://www.*************.com/columns...-lennox-lewis/ (EDIT: haha well I guess this site/word is banned from boxingscene. You can find it via google just by entering 'saluting the great lennox lewis'

THE SWEET SCIENCE: http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxin...ll-time-great/